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re: Merril Hodge would pick Big Ben over Brees/Rogers
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:51 pm to Jamohn
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:51 pm to Jamohn
quote:
This actually works against your argument. What more do you expect Rivers to do? Return punts? Cover kickoffs
You fail here. He drove the team to a shitload of poinTs. Doesn't matter where they start. Now you are talking yARDAGE. wHICH imo DOESN'T MEAN shite IN THE nfl.
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Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:53 pm to dukke v
quote:San Diego was #2 in Points per game last year.
You fail here. He drove the team to a shitload of poinTs. Doesn't matter where they start. Now you are talking yARDAGE. wHICH imo DOESN'T MEAN shite IN THE nfl.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:54 pm to Jamohn
No
Do I think Ben is the best QB in the AFC? No
When discussing QB's that are in the same class (Rivers + Roethlisberger), why can't winning be part of the argument?
Do I think Ben is the best QB in the AFC? No
When discussing QB's that are in the same class (Rivers + Roethlisberger), why can't winning be part of the argument?
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:56 pm to bddwolfpack
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When discussing QB's that are in the same class (Rivers + Roethlisberger), why can't winning be part of the argument?
it can...a small part
why? because football is a team sport
they're 1 of 11 on offense
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Okay. And as I've stated, I believe Rivers + Roethlisberger's play on the field to be comparable with the overall slight edge going to Ben because he's led his team to three SB.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:59 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Rivers + Roethlisberger's play on the field to be comparable
dude phillip rivers had like the 10th highest yardage season in NFL passing history
their stats are not comparable. rivers has a large edge on big ben
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:00 pm to OneMoreTime
quote:
San Diego was #2 in Points per game last year.
And this means what????
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:01 pm to dukke v
That they obviously scored enough points to win and make the playoffs, and there wasn't much more that Rivers could do.
This post was edited on 8/24/11 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
their stats are not comparable. rivers has a large edge on big ben
And ZERO WINS when It MATTERS!!!!
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
So Rivers, according to the logic of all saying team accomplishments cannot be take account for, is the NFL's best QB?
There's a middle ground in all this. You have to accompany stats, O-Line, supporting cast, leadership, postseason play, team play, etc.
There isn't one thing you can point to (stats), imo, in determining what QB's are "elite" or which QB is better than the other
ETA: List your top 7 QB's
Me:
Brady
Rodgers
Manning
Brews
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Freeman
There's a middle ground in all this. You have to accompany stats, O-Line, supporting cast, leadership, postseason play, team play, etc.
There isn't one thing you can point to (stats), imo, in determining what QB's are "elite" or which QB is better than the other
ETA: List your top 7 QB's
Me:
Brady
Rodgers
Manning
Brews
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Freeman
This post was edited on 8/24/11 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:09 pm to OneMoreTime
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That they obviously scored enough points to win and make the playoffs, and there wasn't much more that Rivers could do.
Brees did the same thing and WON a SB.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:17 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:I could see it as part of the argument when discussing 2 QBs who are in the same class. Where I disagree with you is that Roethlisberger is not in Rivers' class. Their production is not comparable. So team accomplishments, which I agree can be used as a tiebreaker between close players, doesn't apply here because those two are not close. Rivers is up there with Manning, Brady, Brees, and, Rodgers. Ben, to me, is in the next tier with Vick, Ryan, Schaub, Romo, Freeman, and maybe Eli Manning.
When discussing QB's that are in the same class (Rivers + Roethlisberger), why can't winning be part of the argument?
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:21 pm to Jamohn
Fair Enough
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:22 pm to dukke v
quote:God damn, you're an idiot.
Brees did the same thing and WON a SB.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:25 pm to Jamohn
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Where I disagree with you is that Roethlisberger is not in Rivers' class. Their production is not comparable
Based on what????
quote:
So team accomplishments, which I agree can be used as a tiebreaker between close players, doesn't apply here because those two are not close
So Rivers is a better QB just because he is on a worse team???
quote:
Rivers is up there with Manning, Brady, Brees, and, Rodgers
#'s YES. Getting to the NEXT LEVEL??? NO..
quote:
Ben, to me, is in the next tier with Vick, Ryan, Schaub, Romo, Freeman, and maybe Eli Manning.
WOW!!! You REALLY HATE this guy huh.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:35 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Outside the pocket/On the run, Ben is the best in the League
Rodgers.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:35 pm to bddwolfpack
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The lack of respect Ben gets on this board is amazing
Guy is a great QB with two rings, yet some people on this board don't include him in their top 10 QB's
He's a fringe top 5 QB in the League
There is no argument for him over:
Manning
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers.
No argument at all.
The Steelers play just as well - sometimes even better - without Ben. Hell if you want to look at the facts (their win totals), Troy Polamulu is more important to their on field success than he is.
Big Ben is basically a bigger, less athletic Vince Young without the mental issues. Can't believe I actually said that Big Ben has less issues than someone, but it's true.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:39 pm to ZTiger87
quote:
Top 5 right now?
1a. Brady
1b. Eli
3. Ben
4. Peyton
5. Ryan
obvious troll is obvious
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:42 pm to dukke v
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Disagree. Rivers is a good QB, BUT hasn't won shite in SD. Ben has two SBs under his belt and that puts him over Rivers EASY.
here.. I'll put this in Peej language so you can understand.
RINGS is an absolutely TERRIBLE argument!@1121!! teh STEELERS have had the BEST defense for the last 5 years!?!
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:44 pm to dukke v
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Are you serious??? So I guess PITTSburgh would have made three SB'S with Vick???
Duh?
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