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Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:49 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:tell that to Kevin Durant
Oh give me a break.
Stafford already has generational wealth. If he wants to win, you allow the franchise the ability to put the best players around you. Taking up a crazy amount of the cap goes against this end. I've been saying same thing about brees since they extended him, and look at what the saints haven't accomplished...
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:51 pm to shel311
quote:
This should never be on a list of reasons to pay a player.
You keep saying should and I'm saying the way it is.
The reason you pay him is because he's absolutely the best player you can sign right now and most likely the best player you'll be able to sign at the position in the distant future.
He's not my favorite player and there are a number of QBs I'd rather have but you're damn right I'd sign him if I were the Lions GM. I don't see how anyone could run a team effectively if they're letting personal feelings about players guide their decision making.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:51 pm to Rouge
quote:Ok. Give me his number.
tell that to Kevin Durant
quote:shite, why not just ask for a dollar. And LOL at blaming the Saints lack of Super Bowl success on the Brees contract.
Stafford already has generational wealth. If he wants to win, you allow the franchise the ability to put the best players around you. Taking up a crazy amount of the cap goes against this end. I've been saying same thing about brees since they extended him, and look at what the saints haven't accomplished...
ETA: Tom Brady was the 5th highest paid player in 2016, and yet they won a Super Bowl. Amazing!
ETA2: Peyton Manning was the 5th highest paid player in 2015, and yet they won a Super Bowl. Say it isn't so!
Tom Brady and Peyton Manning must not want to win. They must not be driven for Super Bowl success. What greedy bitches!
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:52 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:you can't tell me that it has helped
And LOL at blaming the Saints lack of Super Bowl success on the Brees contract
quote:because CBA won't allow it
shite, why not just ask for a dollar.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:54 pm to Rouge
quote:Has it been the main problem?
you can't tell me that it has helped
quote:Then why not ask for just above what the CBA allows?
because CBA won't allow it
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:55 pm to OxyCodine
damn
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:56 pm to Rouge
quote:
Stafford already has generational wealth. If he wants to win, you allow the franchise the ability to put the best players around you. Taking up a crazy amount of the cap goes against this end. I've been saying same thing about brees since they extended him, and look at what the saints haven't accomplished...
Right, so first get rid of the guys who aren't earning their keep and then lets see where they are cap wise. I wouldn't start with their best player, that's for sure.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:58 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
Then why not ask for just above what the CBA allows?
I don't know, but I would be curious to see those results
quote:can't answer that because you don't know what other players they may have acquired or retained with that extra cap room
Has it been the main problem?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:01 pm to Rouge
quote:So you think it's the Brees deal, not the 25% in dead cap.
can't answer that
quote:Me too. I want to know who really want to win, and who just wants to maximize their earning potential during their short NFL career.
I don't know, but I would be curious to see those results
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:03 pm to Goldrush25
quote:valid response. Lions have plenty of fat to trim
Right, so first get rid of the guys who aren't earning their keep and then lets see where they are cap wise. I wouldn't start with their best player, that's for sure.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:00 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:And since my argument is not to pay him, that line is never really relevant in this discussion.
We've been over this. It's not a reason to pay him. It's a reason why the money is what it is.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:05 pm to shel311
quote:And since the comment wasn't directed to you, feel free to ignore it next time.
And since my argument is not to pay him, that line is never really relevant in this discussion.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:12 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:It's an irrelevant comment no matter what context, so you are correct that I should ignore it.
And since the comment wasn't directed to you, feel free to ignore it next time.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:13 pm to shel311
LINK
Pretty on point conclusion IMO:
Pretty on point conclusion IMO:
quote:
This hasn’t been an MVP-caliber season for Matthew Stafford. It hasn’t been close to that in truth.
It’s largely been your typical Stafford season where his inconsistencies prevent him from getting close to the potential that his physical talent creates. That’s not to say Stafford is having a bad season. In fact, he has had long stretches of high-quality play this year. He is still playing behind a limited offensive line with a historically bad defense. He’s in a situation where other quarterbacks would capitulate and drag the team to the bottom of the league.
Stafford has played well enough not to handicap his talented set of skill position players and his coach’s excellent play designs. He’s also had a lot of luck, so much to the point that the whole narrative surrounding his season would change without it.
While you never want to close the door on the potential for a quarterback to enjoy a prolonged stretch of high quality play, at this point of Stafford’s career he has repeatedly proven to be what he is. It’s year eight and we’re talking about the individual limiting himself with his play, not about the individual’s supporting cast limiting his play. That makes it hard to expect Stafford to ever become more than what he is right now.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:21 pm to shel311
quote:Not in the context of "I would resign him to a lesser amount."
It's an irrelevant comment no matter what context
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:28 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:I'd say that's an irrelevant comment too.
Not in the context of "I would resign him to a lesser amount."
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:44 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:did you go to highland park with Stafford?
StrongBackWeakMind
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:44 pm to Rouge
quote:No.
did you go to highland park with Stafford?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:46 pm to shel311
Stafford is in the 9-12 range if I'm ranking QBs
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