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re: Manning and his cap hit
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:58 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:58 pm to lsupride87
quote:I asked someone to explain it to me. Take it how you want.
I mean you are kinda being a dick
I love Peyton. I want someone to explain how he changed the position.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 2:59 pm
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:59 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Yeh but you know the answer. You are way too knowledgeable to act like you dont know
I asked someone to explain it to me. Take it how you want.
You are acting like a dick like I do when I am hungry. Did you forget to eat your snickers?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:00 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
posted some information.. google it and there is plenty more 
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:00 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Read this article. Or 1,000 others on the subject that is universally agreed on
I want someone to explain how he changed the position.
LINK
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:01 pm to lsupride87
quote:If they are referencing lots of audibles (fake and real) and exhaustive time in the film room, then yes I knew that. I didn't know if it was something else.
Yeh but you know the answer.
quote:Piss off.
You are acting like a dick like I do when I am hungry. Did you forget to eat your snickers?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:02 pm to lsupride87
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That starts with the NFL's continuing offensive transition into a pass-first, pass-second, run-if-you-must endeavor. When Manning entered the league, the defending champions were the Denver Broncos, who had handed the ball to Terrell Davis 369 times. The reigning league MVP was a running back, Barry Sanders, who was also for a brief period of time the league's highest-paid player. In a world before the current one that has Peyton featured in an ad during every commercial break, endorsements helped Emmitt Smith earn more money than any other football player.
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Manning would be part of a league in which that changed. The easiest way to measure that, very simply, is by how frequently teams chose to throw the football. During 1998, Manning's rookie season with the Indianapolis Colts, the average team threw the ball on 55.1 percent of its offensive snaps. With Manning struggling on a bad Indianapolis team, the Colts threw the ball in part to try to survive, passing on 60.9 percent of their offensive snaps. That was the third-highest rate in the league. In 2015, the average team was up to a pass frequency of 59.0 percent. That would have been the sixth-highest rate in football in 1998.
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Perhaps a better measure of how the Colts wanted to throw the ball was what they did on first-and-10. The average team threw the ball 46.7 percent of the time on first down in 1998, despite the fact that teams were averaging 4.1 yards on the ground and 7.2 yards in the air. Manning's Colts were far more pass-friendly -- they threw the ball 49.5 percent of the time on first-and-10, the ninth-highest rate in the league. In 2015, the NFL as a whole threw the ball a virtually identical 49.7 percent of the time on first down.
It's not just how frequently teams throw the football in 2015; it's where those throws come from too, which speaks to Manning's influence. More and more, the shotgun has become an irreplaceable component of NFL offenses. That wasn't the case in 1998. Under offensive coordinator Tom Moore, Manning became one of the first (if not the first) quarterbacks in league history to work out of the shotgun as his base offense.
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That would have been heretical in 1998. According to play-by-play data compiled by Football Outsiders, the average team put its quarterback into the shotgun on 9.4 percent of plays that year. Eight teams didn't even use the shotgun once all season. The Colts weren't as shotgun-intensive as they would later become, but even during that rookie season, Manning lined up there 22.7 percent of the time, which was the fifth-highest rate in the league. The Steelers, who had Kordell Stewart at quarterback, used the shotgun a league-high 26.6 percent of the time.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:02 pm to oleyeller
quote:
posted some information.. google it and there is plenty more
I figured there were countless article. I was hoping someone that has been around a while (sugar, peej, sms) could poop something out quick. I don't want to put the effort in.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:02 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
i posted a screenshot explaining it, and someone else posted a link. Plenty of info there, and if it isnt enough there are tons more on the internet on the topic
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:03 pm to lsupride87
quote:Exactly what I was looking for.
Read this article.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:05 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Yeh it actually brings up statistical measures. I think Peyton gets a little too much credit, but I do think at least SOME of the revolution of offense should go to him
Exactly what I was looking for.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:06 pm to lsupride87
WILL YOU CALM DOWN?!
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:07 pm to SabiDojo
quote:NO! DAMN INTERN BURNT THE AFTERNOON POT OF COFFEE
WILL YOU CALM DOWN?!
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:20 pm to oleyeller
quote:
its pretty well known peyton changed how the qb position is played
How so? You just repeated what you said before and didn't do anything to back it up
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The 5 he was the mvp of the nfl... but i would say at least 2 more i think he was robbed on
He robbed Brees in 2009.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:23 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
1998:
quote:Holy crap.
According to play-by-play data compiled by Football Outsiders, the average team put its quarterback into the shotgun on 9.4 percent of plays that year. Eight teams didn't even use the shotgun once all season.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:23 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Cray
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:30 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Under offensive coordinator Tom Moore, Manning became one of the first (if not the first) quarterbacks in league history to work out of the shotgun as his base offense.
They don't support this in the article:
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The Colts weren't as shotgun-intensive as they would later become, but even during that rookie season, Manning lined up there 22.7 percent of the time, which was the fifth-highest rate in the league. The Steelers, who had Kordell Stewart at quarterback, used the shotgun a league-high 26.6 percent of the time.
And I don't disagree that Manning is a top 5 QB of all time and maybe even the GOAT, but I think it is a reach to say he changed the QB position. It uses passing stats as proof and ignores all the other reasons
And it mixes arguments from shotgun to pass first offenses. The West Coast offense had already been pretty damn successful in the NFL before this, so that wasn't a shocking new strategy either.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:32 pm to TigerBait1127
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And I don't disagree that Manning is a top 5 QB of all time and maybe even the GOAT, but I think it is a reach to say he changed the QB position. It uses passing stats as proof and ignores all the other reasons
no one is forcing you to agree. But it is pretty well known and talked about over ther years that Manning Revilutionized the position. This isnt just me talking.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:33 pm to oleyeller
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no one is forcing you to agree.
Ok? That goes both ways. You keep responding to me with your original statement again as support
I'm asking you to present an actual argument here. It may very well be true, but you haven't been able to state why.
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. But it is pretty well known and talked about over ther years that Manning Revilutionized the position. This isnt just me talking.
You stated it, back it up.
You're just repeating the same thing over and over again.
HOW did he change the QB position? If it is so well known, explain what he revolutionized and why it is attributed to him and not rules changes or other factors.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:35 pm to TigerBait1127
i posted an article
someone else posted a link
Use google, it will give you all you want to know.
someone else posted a link
Use google, it will give you all you want to know.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:38 pm to oleyeller
quote:
i posted an article
You posted a screenshot that just says he was "on the forefront of basically a revolution in the way offences are run in the NFL". It still doesn't say how or even attempt to give specifics.
That article contains nothing of substance.
quote:
Use google, it will give you all you want to know.
If it is so well known, why can't you state how? You made the assertion, expand on it.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 3:40 pm
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