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Posted on 6/19/13 at 1:29 am to lsu480
Question: Since they had to play man did that make it tougher for MJ to have signature plays all over the floor on defense? Lebron obviously has all time clutch defensive plays on different positions. Like blocks on big mean in big situations. Would there have been a whistle blown if MJ was down in the post blocking Duncan tonight? Iv always wondered that.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 1:52 am to Ford Frenzy
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I already forgot...because Ray Allen just saved his career
Kinda like Steve Kerr saved MJ's
Posted on 6/19/13 at 1:53 am to Ford Frenzy
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If ray missed that shot...LeBron is awful in the clutch and the heat probably dismantle..now, not so much
In either event, your mother will still have a nice tasty pussy.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 1:55 am to bobbyray21
quote:John Paxson ftw
Kinda like Steve Kerr saved MJ's
Posted on 6/19/13 at 1:56 am to OBUDan
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Having lived through MJ and Bron, I've just never seen anyone rule the floor like Bron. Not just making the great shots and all that, but absolutely owning the floor.
I agree.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:02 am to lsu480
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Are you high?
Obviously not
Jordan's greatest attribute was being athletically ahead of his generation
He is essentially the Jim Brown of basketball. Certainly Jordan in his prime would still be a great player in today's league but to pretend he would be better than LJ in his prime is a joke at best.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:02 am to Powerman
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The one thing that LJ lacks that MJ had is that dirty fade away in the post. If he had that down we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
In every other phase of the game LJ is better. It's just that that was such a huge part of MJ's game that it can't just be tossed aside in the wash. He was that good at the fade away mid range shots on the baseline to where it becomes a legitimate equalizer to make it a debate.
I agree with this as well. In fact, I think it's fair to say that Jordan had a more natural shooting stroke than LBJ. Phil Jackson said that MJ was a better shooter than Kobe, which is true, but I'm surprised he came out and said it.
The above being said, LBJ is working out of the post just like Jordan did, but he's attacking the rim rather than fading back for a jumper. This makes sense. Would you rather have a 6-8 250 guy shooting fadeaway jumpers or attacking the basket? I'll got with the latter.
On the flipside of that, Lebron is an excellent passer out of post much in the same way Larry Bird was, and it simply cannot be denied that his innate passing ability is far far superior to Jordan's.
Also:
1. Jordan was a great defender
2. LBJ is a better defender
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:04 am to Powerman
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Jordan's greatest attribute was being athletically ahead of his generation
Not true.
David Thompson was as athletic as Jordan. Jordan, when was coming up, was compared to David Thompson. Unfortunately, Thompson enjoyed the cizzell in his nizzell.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:06 am to bobbyray21
I don't know about that. Jordan completely shut down Drexler - who was considered one of the 2 best scorers in the game at the time. If Jordan got someone in his head, it was over. Often they couldn't even get the ball. Jordan won a DPOY award and first-team all-d NINE times
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:08 am to genro
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I don't know about that. Jordan completely shut down Drexler - who was considered one of the 2 best scorers in the game at the time. If Jordan got someone in his head, it was over. Often they couldn't even get the ball. Jordan won a DPOY award and first-team all-d NINE times
Are you refuting m claim about David Thompson with a counter claim about Clyde Drexler?
I don't think that's how arguments work.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:08 am to bobbyray21
No I was responding to this
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Also: 1. Jordan was a great defender 2. LBJ is a better defender
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:09 am to genro
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I don't know about that. Jordan completely shut down Drexler - who was considered one of the 2 best scorers in the game at the time. If Jordan got someone in his head, it was over. Often they couldn't even get the ball. Jordan won a DPOY award and first-team all-d NINE times
Or are you referring to defensive prowess?
If so, they are both elite, but LBJ's versatility tips the scales.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:11 am to bobbyray21
And Jordan's intensity and intangibles tip the scales.
It's the reason he's a better player on the whole. Besides being a MUCH better shooter and a better finisher. I don't think LeBron is some bitch like Dwight Howard but his heart is nowhere in the same galaxy as Jordan's. Again, that's not a knock on LeBron. No one's is.
It's the reason he's a better player on the whole. Besides being a MUCH better shooter and a better finisher. I don't think LeBron is some bitch like Dwight Howard but his heart is nowhere in the same galaxy as Jordan's. Again, that's not a knock on LeBron. No one's is.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:12 am to ReauxlTide222
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Question: Since they had to play man did that make it tougher for MJ to have signature plays all over the floor on defense? Lebron obviously has all time clutch defensive plays on different positions. Like blocks on big mean in big situations. Would there have been a whistle blown if MJ was down in the post blocking Duncan tonight? Iv always wondered that.
Since we're talking about defense. Do y'all know the answer to this? Or was it a dumb question?...
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:19 am to ReauxlTide222
He wouldn't have been whistled for guarding a different position or crashing the paint on help defense. He would've just had less opportunities in the post on D because the NBA didn't allow the pseudo-zone they allow now.
Jordan FYI was a better shot blocker than LeBron. Jordan may have been the best shot-blocking guard of all time.
Jordan FYI was a better shot blocker than LeBron. Jordan may have been the best shot-blocking guard of all time.
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 2:20 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:22 am to genro
Thanks.
For some reason I forgot how good Wade is/was at blocking shots. He used to not play around...he'd stuff your arse.
For some reason I forgot how good Wade is/was at blocking shots. He used to not play around...he'd stuff your arse.
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 2:23 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:23 am to genro
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And Jordan's intensity and intangibles tip the scales.
It's the reason he's a better player on the whole. Besides being a MUCH better shooter and a better finisher. I don't think LeBron is some bitch like Dwight Howard but his heart is nowhere in the same galaxy as Jordan's. Again, that's not a knock on LeBron. No one's is.
Are we still talking about defense? Or who is better generally?
Jordan was definitely was more intense than Lebron and had more of a killer instinct, but those attributes didn't make him better on the defensive end than Lebron. For all the criticism Lebron gets for getting gun-shy on offense, that doesn't show up on the defensive end, where he plays with max intensity the entire game.
Anyway, I'm sticking to my guns on the defensive prowess argument. But I'm not necessarily sure LBJ is the better player overall than MJ. In fact, I think you might be right that MJ's diabolical will to win is what sets him apart.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:24 am to ReauxlTide222
Wade was one of the people I was thinking who would give him serious consideration.
Another thing Jordan had to deal with was double-teams away from the ball. That's been banned since he retired (because the NBA found out no one could be like Mike if you let the other team double them all game)
And of course, hand-checking
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 2:25 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:26 am to genro
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Jordan FYI was a better shot blocker than LeBron. Jordan may have been the best shot-blocking guard of all time.
This is simply an incorrect statement. Their shot blocking numbers are nearly identical.
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