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re: Lebron almost got 40 points and 20 assists tonight.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:52 pm to R_o_y
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:52 pm to R_o_y
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He's fourth in the league in scoring, 11th in assists (only non-pg in the top 20), and eighth in the league in FG percentage (the only non-center in top 10).
He's also in the top 5 in usage rate and has like a 9% turnover rate. Tell the full story now.
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:54 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
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He's also in the top 5 in usage rate and has like a 9% turnover rate. Tell the full story now.
Okay, number one in player efficiency rating and 12th in the league in steals.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:55 pm to Fat Bastard
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when he gets 100 like wilt give me a call. or even 63 like jordan. or 60 like Bird 56 is his highest ever.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:55 pm to tigerpimpbot
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If those other Heat fricks could shoot worth a damn, Bron would've had 25 assists.
The Heat are generally a good shooting team. Lebron attracts so much attention on the ball that he dish open corner threes to teammates.
Some teammates have a bad shooting night, but that is just randomness. It could happen that the Heat shoot 60% another night.
What were Lebron's per 36 tonight compared to his season average?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:57 pm to R_o_y
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He's also in the top 5 in usage rate and has like a 9% turnover rate. Tell the full story now.
Okay, number one in player efficiency rating and 12th in the league in steals.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:00 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
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Tell the full story now
The full story is Lebron is on pace for the best statistical season since Wilt, and the best perimeter player season of all time. Jordan's highest ever PER was 31.9, Lebron is at 31.7 and just posted a 37.1 PER in the month of February. He's only 19th in the league in turnovers per game, averaging less than guys like Rondo, Harden, Westbrook, Durant, Bryant, Howard, Irving, Wall, Holiday. His assist/turnover ratio is 32nd best in the league, 3rd among small forwards behind Ronnie Brewer, who never plays, and John Salmons.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:00 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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What were Lebron's per 36 tonight compared to his season average?
30 pts, 6 reb, 12 ast
His season avg is 25, 7.5, 6.5 per 36.
He also shot 64% for the month of February. So he's got that going for him. I think Haberstroh said he was the first player since Kareem to shoot >64% in a month with >200 shots attempt.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:00 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
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Pierce Hawthorne
Gamecock?
Anyone wanna confirm this?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:02 pm to R_o_y
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Okay, number one in player efficiency rating and 12th in the league in steals.
Hollinger's PER is a joke and he gives up more points per game than Blake Griffin does. Your move.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:05 pm to mattz1122
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Gamecock?
Anyone wanna confirm this?
Has to be, but his initial post about usage rate was a plus to LeBron. Having that high a usage rate and being that efficient with that few turnovers is nearly unheard of. So I was confused at first.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:05 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
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Hollinger's PER is a joke and he gives up more points per game than Blake Griffin does. Your move.
Any reasoning that PER is a joke? Or any sort of link or statistic regarding Lebron's defense you care to share?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:06 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
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Hollinger's PER is a joke and he gives up more points per game than Blake Griffin does. Your move.
Lol, are you actually saying Blake Griffin is a better defender than Lebron James?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:06 pm to jturn17
Yep. There was a douche last month that was banned. This is at least the 3rd generation of that annoying alter.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:09 pm to tigerfan88
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Any reasoning that PER is a joke?
I wouldn't go as far as to call it a joke, but I'm not a huge fan. It really loves volume scorers. I believe you can shoot as low as around 35% FG and still benefit from taking shots. WS/48 or WS is a much better metric in my opinion.
That said LeBron is having a Top 10 all-time WS/48 season as well. As of now it would be 8th best. So it's really all moot for this conversation.
I just don't really like the ubiquitous use of PER because of ESPN.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:11 pm to jturn17
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I wouldn't go as far as to call it a joke, but I'm not a huge fan. It really loves volume scorers. I believe you can shoot as low as around 35% FG and still benefit from taking shots. WS/48 or WS is a much better metric in my opinion.
That said LeBron is having a Top 10 all-time WS/48 season as well. As of now it would be 8th best. So it's really all moot for this conversation.
I just don't really like the ubiquitous use of PER because of ESPN.
Then you don't understand statistics. The reason they use that stat is because over time it averages out inconsistencies in play, i.e. when Lebron sits the whole fourth period because his team has 30 point lead.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:12 pm to jturn17
Hollinger is a fraud
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:13 pm to jturn17
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I believe you can shoot as low as around 35% FG and still benefit from taking shots.
I think you just have to make a third of your shots. However, I think the high volume shooters take a little too much flak to be honest.
It serves nicely to get a general gauge of a rough worth, but it is certainly not an end all, be all.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:14 pm to tigerfan88
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the best perimeter player season of all time
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:14 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
why do the heat keep wearing those awful 90's jerseys with like a foot wide white number shadow?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:17 pm to R_o_y
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Then you don't understand statistics. The reason they use that stat is because over time it averages out inconsistencies in play, i.e. when Lebron sits the whole fourth quarter because his team has 30 point lead.
I don't think you understood any of what I wrote to be honest.
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I think you just have to make one third of your shots
quote:That's what I said!
around 35% FG%
quote:Even if you're right, someone shooting 35% shouldn't benefit from taking more shots. And obviously it's not the end all be all, but PER has become so big that people try to use it as such. Damn ESPN!
However, I think the high volume shooters take a little too much flak to be honest. It serves nicely to get a general gauge of a rough worth, but it is certainly not an end all, be all.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 11:22 pm
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