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re: Johnny Manziel attends UT frat party, is told to GTFO
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:29 pm to Sophandros
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:29 pm to Sophandros
Ultimately, Leaf's problem wasn't the off field stuff. It was that he sucked on the field.
Now you can debate the chicken-egg aspect of that but if he produces on the field, people will write off this offseason as just a kid being a kid.
Now you can debate the chicken-egg aspect of that but if he produces on the field, people will write off this offseason as just a kid being a kid.
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:29 pm to BluegrassBelle
I said he should tone it down.
Please point to a post where I said or even slightly implied that he should "live in a bubble" or even not go out.
Good luck with that.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:35 pm to Sophandros
And as I said earlier, these things, especially if he still performs well on the field aren't going to deter NFL people all that much if they really want him. Even in recent years it hasn't deterred them from high-risk guys. Now do I think he gets drafted well? Probably not because I don't think he's necessarily NFL material in terms of his talent. But it won't have near as much to do with partying off the field as a college student. Especially if he's passing piss tests, winning a Heisman, and leading his team to successful seasons.
ETA: I'm also pretty sure NFL scouts can tell the difference in a guy who's been questioned in several shootings and a guy who just happens to like to drink and smoke a little pot.
This post was edited on 7/27/13 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:39 pm to BluegrassBelle
Do you want to bookmark this thread for a bet during next year's draft when GMs and scouts cite character concerns when this punk drops in the draft?
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:39 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And as I said earlier, these things, especially if he still performs well on the field aren't going to deter NFL people all that much if they really want him.
What?
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:41 pm to Sophandros
No. Because there's no telling what he does between now and when he's drafted.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:42 pm to BluegrassBelle
Or because you know I'm right.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:43 pm to TheOcean
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What?
What's hard to comprehend?
Up to this point he hasn't really done anything a lot of other college athletes who end up getting drafted haven't done. If a NFL team really wants him (I don't think they necessarily will for on the field reasons) they'll still likely take him if he performs well on the field this season. I probably should've added doesn't do anything else major that ends up in a suspension or anything along those lines as well.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:44 pm to Sophandros
You got me there.
Why would I take a bet over something stupid like that?
Why would I take a bet over something stupid like that?
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:45 pm to Mizzoufan26
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Does it annoy anyone else that any other underage kid out drinking runs the risk of punishment.
Not JFF though, kid is photographed weekly with alcohol and yet. Noone gives a frick.
lower the drinking age BACK to 18
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:46 pm to BluegrassBelle
Because you're so adamant that character doesn't matter to NFL decision makers despite empirical evidence to the contrary.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:51 pm to Sophandros
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Because you're so adamant that character doesn't matter to NFL decision makers despite empirical evidence to the contrary.
I never said player character doesn't matter to the NFL for anyone. Stop generalizing my statement.
What I am saying is that in this particular case with what JFF has done, that it's not going to matter much in the grand scheme of things. That it's only considered all that "bad" because everytime he moves someone is photographing him. Now if he starts pissing dirty, starts performing poorly, and etc then I'm sure that'll change (which is another reason your little "bet" is stupid, there's no telling what can happened off the field between now and then).
Sorry that I don't do silly website bets over someone who doesn't even play for my favorite team. It really doesn't matter that much to me.
This post was edited on 7/27/13 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:52 pm to Sophandros
It would be more accurate to say character matters to some decision makers.
IIRC, a few guys that made guest appearances on actual police blotters were drafted in the first round this year.
IIRC, a few guys that made guest appearances on actual police blotters were drafted in the first round this year.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 9:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You think Ryan Leaf didn't start magically acting like a douche until he was drafted? Check out the negatives in his draft profile.
You came up with one example from 15 years ago, and think that somehow proves your point? And let's not even mention the fact that, for many reasons, it appears Manziel is both acting out more and under a bigger microscope than leaf ever did/was.
You could've at least gone with cam newton, but even his negatives were different. Not to mention, both he and leaf were thought to be much better prospects with less physicl question marks coming out than Manziel is anticipated to be.
This post was edited on 7/27/13 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 7/27/13 at 9:12 pm to Open Your Eyes
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You came up with one example from 15 years ago, and think that somehow proves your point? And let's not even mention the fact that, for many reasons, it appears Manziel is both acting out more and under a bigger microscope than leaf ever did/was.
Leaf also didn't have the internet, Twitter, and Facebook up his arse either. Plus he wanted a QB example and I'm a Buccaneers fan. It was the first that came to mind.
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You could've at least gone with cam newton, but even his negatives were different. Not to mention, both he and leaf were thought to be much better prospects with less physicl question marks coming out than Manziel is anticipated to be.
You're right, I could've went with Cam Newton. But if you also read my previous posts you would see that I said multiple times that I don't think he'll be taken high because of his on-the-field issues vs. his off-the-field.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 9:24 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Leaf also didn't have the internet, Twitter, and Facebook up his arse either.
A few of the many reasons I was talking about
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Plus he wanted a QB example and I'm a Buccaneers fan. It was the first that came to mind.
There aren't many more that will come to mind either. The position carries different expectations
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You're right, I could've went with Cam Newton. But if you also read my previous posts you would see that I said multiple times that I don't think he'll be taken high because of his on-the-field issues vs. his off-the-field.
Even more reason for Manziel to tone his antics down. Strong off the field qualities can make up for deficiencies on the field
Posted on 7/27/13 at 9:44 pm to hendersonshands
The only thing that is news about that video is that it demonstrates that it is the Horns who are obsessed with A&M, not vice versa.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 9:46 pm to Baloo
I would've liked to see Vince Young go to a frat party in College Station back in 2005. He probably would've been lynched.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 10:48 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I never said player character doesn't matter to the NFL for anyone. Stop generalizing my statement.
How else is someone to take your statement right here:
Where you explicitly state that you believe that character is not going to cause his stock to drop
From your post:
quote:
My argument against that is look how many sketchy arse characters the NFL still takes that have done far worse then what JFF has done. It won't be his character that makes him unattractive to NFL teams IMO.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 10:53 pm to Sophandros
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How else is someone to take your statement right here
Probably not as seriously as you are right now.
I'm sorry I didn't expand more upon that little statement and you took it so hard. Simmah down already.
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