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Is Saban the entire cause of the "we have the wrong coach so we can't win" attitude?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:05 pm
granted i was a youngster before he came to LSU, but it seems like now that everyone saw him turn Bama into what they are, every college football fanbase is constantly blaming their lack of championships on not having the coach that can get it done.
other sports you will see people point out they dont have the talent, but college football fans only seem to care about the coach. if you arent good enough to win the title every year, clearly you arent good enough to be a head coach at *insert any major cfb program name*
Dabo Swinney went 6-7 his first year, then was known for "Clemsoning" at least 1 game a season. Clearly he wasnt the guy to get them over the hump? until he did?
Jimbo was one of the BEST upcoming coaches after they won a national title yet he managed to lose 3, 3, and 6 games after their title and Rose Bowl loss so he had to leave town.
for you older folks, has this always been the case?
other sports you will see people point out they dont have the talent, but college football fans only seem to care about the coach. if you arent good enough to win the title every year, clearly you arent good enough to be a head coach at *insert any major cfb program name*
Dabo Swinney went 6-7 his first year, then was known for "Clemsoning" at least 1 game a season. Clearly he wasnt the guy to get them over the hump? until he did?
Jimbo was one of the BEST upcoming coaches after they won a national title yet he managed to lose 3, 3, and 6 games after their title and Rose Bowl loss so he had to leave town.
for you older folks, has this always been the case?
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:11 pm to sgallo3
This seems to be more of an organization issue but nick saban has certainly made this more apparent. These other organizations want to emulate that success by wanting coaches to emulate him. Not always practical in the business of college football.
But Nebraska fired solich after a 9 win season in the late 90's and has been mediocre for the most part ever since. Did pelini get fired from there?
But Nebraska fired solich after a 9 win season in the late 90's and has been mediocre for the most part ever since. Did pelini get fired from there?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:13 pm to sgallo3
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Jimbo was one of the BEST upcoming coaches after they won a national title yet he managed to lose 3, 3, and 6 games after their title and Rose Bowl loss so he had to leave town.
What?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:18 pm to Keys Open Doors
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What?
what is confusing about that? literally every other school was begging for their school to try to hire Jimbo after 2013, hell a&m was still begging for him after their 6 loss season this year they gave him $75mil
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:18 pm to sgallo3
Sounds like the attitude of just LSU fans
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:19 pm to BobLeeDagger
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just LSU fans
yeah, Florida, a&m, Michigan, Tennessee, Georgia, Miami, Nebraska, Texas fans are nothing like this
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:20 pm to sgallo3
You are saying Jimbo had to leave town because of a bad season in the first post. That is clearly not the case. He chose to leave town because he got the best contract in college football history (which you seem to say in your second post).
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:21 pm to Keys Open Doors
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You are saying Jimbo had to leave town because of a bad season in the first post. That is clearly not the case. He chose to leave town because he got the best contract in college football history
the 2 are not mutually exclusive at all. you think he would be leaving if they went 14-0 this year?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:25 pm to sgallo3
None of them fired their coach just because they couldn't beat Saban.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:30 pm to BobLeeDagger
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None of them fired their coach just because they couldn't beat Saban.
what did you score on the reading comprehension section of the SAT? Nothing in this thread mentions firing coaches for losing to Saban
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:32 pm to sgallo3
certain LSU fans only believed they had the wrong coach because he couldn't beat Saban. It has nothing to do with what Saban has done at Bama which your thread suggests.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:32 pm to sgallo3
This is a good topic that I’ve been thinking about myself, but your hostility towards other posters isn’t the best way to stimulate discussion.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:37 pm to BobLeeDagger
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LSU fans only believed they had the wrong coach because he couldn't beat Saban. It has nothing to do with what Saban has done at Bama which your thread suggests.
ok delete LSU from ur head for a second and tell me why these other schools fanbases are always 1 bad season away from "fire the coach"
Texas fans were trying to run Charlie Strong out of town after 1 season despite him having success before he went there. a&m ran out Sumlin as soon as he had a season they could claim was bad enough. Florida ran out McElwain early (7 games into this season) so he wouldnt have a chance to turn things around (he was 10-3 and 9-4 first 2 seasons). Michigan fans are already ready to run off Harbaugh because of his inability to find a QB
when the dude made Stanford an elite program and developed Andrew Luck. Tennessee is on their 5th coach since 2009. Butch Jones posted back to back 9-4 seasons before this year he had a bad year so he's gone
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:39 pm to BobLeeDagger
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Sounds like the attitude of just LSU fans
um, you may want to take a look at the HC turnover around the country. Currently, in the SEC, there are TWO head coaches that have been HCs in the SEC for over 5 years: Dan Mullen and Nick Saban and one of those just switched schools in the off season. LSU, Ole Miss, Arkansas, A&M, Florida, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Missouri, South Carolina and Georgia have all hired new head coaches in the past 2 seasons. That's 10 schools in one conference.
The reason is money. Fans and ADs think if they spend X amount of dollars on their program they should achieve elite results. Problem is, everyone is spending a lot of money now and not everyone can win every year.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:45 pm to sgallo3
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the 2 are not mutually exclusive at all. you think he would be leaving if they went 14-0 this year?
10 years, 75 million is a lot to pay for anyone not named Nick Saban. I can absolutely see why a team would be willing to let someone walk for that. 14-0 and another national title, no, but anything else, yeah I can see it.
And if Jimbo went 14-0, I can see Jimbo getting something like 10 years, 100 million instead, in which case, yeah I can see why a school would let him walk.
As for Miles, I think there are many reasons why you would let him walk other than his record against Saban or his record in relation to Saban's success. He was a stubborn man who lied to fans every year about changing the offense and then resorted to playing football like it was 1978. Looking at the talent the teams had from 2009 to 2016, there should have been much greater return.
It's not too different from Larry Coker, who was fired when Saban was just an NFL washout.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:47 pm to sgallo3
I think you are missing a huge factor. People get impatient as hell when their coach isn't living up to expectations and is still making $5 million a year.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:49 pm to sgallo3
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the 2 are not mutually exclusive at all. you think he would be leaving if they went 14-0 this year?
You think they would have lost 6 games if they didn't lose their QB in the opener?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:55 pm to pvilleguru
FSU started the season in the top 5 (#1 or 2?). Lost to the eventual national champs, and lost their starting QB for the season in the 4th quarter of the game.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:56 pm to pvilleguru
Losing a QB can only excuse so many losses... At some point you are still massively more talented than everyone u play and have to win games
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:57 pm to sgallo3
That still gives you much fewer than 6 losses.
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