re: Is Kobe Bryant a Top 10 All Time Great Player

He is not a TOP 10 person that is for sure...Not even counting the rape admission and the settlement in the civil trial. The cheating on his wife shortly after his first child is born (Is rape cheating?)

You have this:

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Read this article for some amazing stats on LBJ vs. Kobe. It's from 2011, but it's still eye opening. Keep in mind during this time, Kobe played TWICE as many games as LBJ.
Kobe vs. LBJ

Regular season & Playoffs combined:
Games with less than 2 assists:
LeBron James: 6
Kobe Bryant: 148

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 12 or more assists
LeBron James: 45
Kobe Bryant: 21

Seasons at 48% shooting or higher:
Kobe Bryant: 0
LeBron James: 5

Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
LeBron James: 129
Kobe Bryant: 339

Regular season & Playoffs combined:
Games with at least 12 rebounds:
LeBron James: 60
Kobe Bryant: 29

Kobe Bryant averages 10.42 win shares per season, LeBron James averages 14.86 win shares per season.

Kobe Bryant averages 1.92 win shares per playoff run, LeBron James averages 3.08 win shares per playoff run.

Regular Season & Playoffs combined
Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
LeBron James: 16-14 (.533)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 48-63 (.432)
LeBron James shoots his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.

Career Player Efficiency Rating
LeBron James: 26.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.53

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Hey how about I go look up who has more game winners, who has made more All NBA teams, who has more rings, etc.

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Then include more rape accusations, rape arrests, $$$ paid out to rape victims.

While Kobe might have been 4-1 in games he had to go to court for his rape charge. James has yet to be arrested.

And lets not forget during the All-star weekend when Kobe failed the "passing" part of the skills challenge

And imagine if Lebron would have played with Shaq in his prime

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Hey how about I go look up who has more game winners

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You sure you want to go there?

In the playoffs clutch game on the line shot attempts:
Kobe Bryant 7-25 for 28% shooting
LeBron James 5-12 for 41.7% shooting

Regular season clutch game on the line shot attempts:
LeBron James 23-69 for 33.3% shooting
Kobe Bryant 36-115 for 31.3% shooting

Kobe Bryant is 0-5 in his last 4 game winning playoff attempts.

PS-Keep in mind that these stats don't count the 2011-12, and 2012-13 seasons when LBJ was league MVP both years.

You want stats which are voted on? How about ONE measly MVP for Kobe and FOUR for LBJ? You can not be considered to be a top five, maybe not even top ten player if you've only won one MVP award in your career.

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Posted by LSUPHILLY72 quote: Steve Nash has more

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If you polled current NBA players who they would rather have as a teammate for their entire career, it might be a unanimous vote in favor of Nash.

From Phil Jackson himself:
"You can't be a selfish player and make this offense work for the team's good. Period." When I opened the floor to comments, there was complete silence, and I was about to adjourn the meeting when Shaq spoke up. He got right to the point, saying, "I think Kobe is playing too selfishly for us to win." That got everyone fired up. Some of the players nodded in support of Shaq, including Rick Fox, who said, "How many times have we been through this?" No one in that room came to Kobe's defense.

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And for the record...I hate Lebron's flopping...but it is not even close in who is better. Lebron makes his teammates better...Kobe's teammates, wife, and parents HATE HIM! And me.

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I hate him more. If I ever see him being interviewed on TV, I immediately turn the channel. I hate him that bad.

More Phil Jackson:
Jackson even talked about how the sexual-assault charges levied against Bryant in 2003 temporarily changed his outlook on the perennial All-Star.

It "cracked open an old wound" because Jackson's daughter was the victim of an assault while on a date with an athlete in college.

"Brooke expected me to get angry and make her feel protected. Instead I suppressed my rage — as I'd been conditioned to do during childhood by my parents … it left her feeling alone and unsupported. (In the end, after filing a report with the police, Brooke chose not to press charges.)

"The Kobe incident triggered all my unprocessed anger and tainted my perception of him. ... It distorted my view of Kobe throughout the 2003-04 season. No matter what I did to extinguish it, the anger kept smoldering in the background."

Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single coach who has openly ripped one of his star players like Phil has ripped Kobe. If he says these things publicly, I wonder what he says privately about Kobe.

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quote: You can not be considered to be a top five, maybe not even top ten player if you've only won one MVP award in your career. Players who only won one MVP and have a legitimate case to be top 10: Jerry West (zero MVP's) Shaq Oscar Robertson Hakeem Kobe .

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Like I said, none are top 5, and MAYBE not top 10. Kobe was almost always on a winning team and one that was usually one of the very best. To win only one MVP is inexcusable. Oscar and Hakeem weren't on teams that had as long of a winning run as the Lakers. Kobe also had the power of one of, if not the most, visible teams in the NBA. It's almost inconceivable he only won one MVP award.