re: Is Josh Allen just a sober Ben Roethlisberger?

Posted by KillerNut9

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:37 pm to Honest Tune

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True, but James Harrison made the play of a lifetime to give the Steelers a much needed edge at halftime

Of course. But Ben took the offense 80 yards down the field in the closing minutes to win the game.

Outside of that Harrison INT, the defense was pretty meh the entire game.

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Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 2:22 pm to KillerNut9

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Outside of that Harrison INT, the defense was pretty meh the entire game.

Held Arizona to 23 points

Allen would be 4-0 vs the chiefs in playoffs if his defense held chiefs to 23 points…

I would love to have that “meh” performance

Another not fun fact

Ben’s defense gave up 17 and 14 pts in his two AFC Champ games

Allen’s has given up 32 and 38

This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 2:30 pm

Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 2:27 pm to jangalang

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Wasnt the Bills defense ranked number one when Mahomes led a game winning drive that required only 13 seconds to set up a game winner?

Yes, and that defense gave up 36 points in regulation in an all time awful performance

Merely being awful and giving up 35 would still have been a bills W…

This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 2:28 pm

Posted by lsufball19

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 2:42 pm to lsupride87

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Ben’s defense gave up 17 and 14 pts in his two AFC Champ games

He's played in more than 2 AFC title games

2004: lost 41-27 to New England
2005: won 34-17 over Denver
2008: won 23-14 over Baltimore
2010: won 24-19 over New York
2016: Lost 36-17 to New England

He also lost a Super bowl 31-25

He lost in the divisional round to Jacksonville 45-42 and to Cleveland 48-37. In that Jacksonville game, he threw for 470 yards and 5 TDs

This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 2:45 pm

Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 2:47 pm to lsufball19

So in the two afc champ games he won(which I am clearly referencing) his defense held the other team to 14 and 17. I forgot to also note the 19 pt win game with his defense

When his defenses gave up 41 and 36 he lost

I mean, you are just furthering my point….Winning the Conference takes a TEAM effort where your defense contributes. Allen hasn’t gotten that yet. Hopefully one day it happens

But just to be direct to the OP besides being big Allen and Big Ben aren’t alike at all

Allen already has 3,000 more rushing yards than Ben

This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 2:54 pm

Posted by collegefootballisbroken

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 2:54 pm to lsupride87

You ever seen a drunk run?

Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 2:56 pm to collegefootballisbroken

A fast person simply then becomes a fast drunk

Ben isn’t fast sober or drunk while on the field. He was great at avoiding tackles in the pocket, but he wasn’t a rushing threat like Allen with his legs

The better comp would be be

“Is Allen the non Mormon Steve young”

This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 2:59 pm

Posted by dukke v

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 3:36 pm to lsupride87

Except Young won the SB. And threw 6 td passes.

Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 3:37 pm to dukke v

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Except Young won the SB.

When he was 34

Allen is 28

Some other notable ages for first time winners

Brees-30
Peyton-30
Unitas-38
Elway-38

That’s why it’s so dumb people are freaking out about Lamar, burrow, and Allen not winning yet when they are in their 20s

This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 3:43 pm

Posted by dukke v

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 3:39 pm to lsupride87

So…. I’m pretty sure that had he not been sitting behind Joe he could have led that team to at least one more.

Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 4:10 pm to dukke v

Maybes but he didn’t win a Super Bowl at ages 30, 31, 32, and 33 when he was starting for the 49ers….

Posted by TT9

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 4:16 pm to WestCoastAg

And one less Super bowl W

Posted by FightinTigersDammit

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 6:16 pm to collegefootballisbroken

Ben never saw the day he could run like Allen.

Posted by Raoul Stimulato

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 6:21 pm to collegefootballisbroken

Damn, I feel like Big Ben is totally devalued by everyone.

Seem a little crazy to me. That dude was a beast.

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Posted by WheyCheddar

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 6:22 pm to collegefootballisbroken

Big Rape

Posted by dukke v

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 6:23 pm to lsupride87

Hey I think Allen is great. I like the guy and his ability and he wasn’t the reason they lost. But
It’s over and wait till next year.

Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 6:25 pm to Raoul Stimulato

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Damn, I feel like Big Ben is totally devalued by everyone.

I don’t see this

He just isn’t like Allen at all. Allen will end up with maybe 6-7k more rushing yards

Posted by Sho Nuff

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Posted on 1/29/25 at 6:30 pm to KillerNut9

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Of course. But Ben took the offense 80 yards down the field in the closing minutes to win the game.

I mean, it was a 14 point swing. That 80 yard drive would've needed to happen a couple more times had that ridiculous play not happened. I still can't believe someone from tue Cards didn't chase the dude down. Any tackle before the goal line and it was all for naught as the half was over. Poor Fitz.