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re: Is J. Russell the worst #1 overall pick
Posted on 3/31/10 at 12:47 pm to TIGERSofCHAOS
Posted on 3/31/10 at 12:47 pm to TIGERSofCHAOS
The topic is "who is the worst overall #1 pick," not "which #1 pick used their talent least to its fullest." For the latter, Jamarcus is currently up there. For the former, noone is worse than Ki-Jana Carter.
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Posted on 3/31/10 at 12:53 pm to hojo
Close but I put Courtney Brown ahead of him.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 12:55 pm to MadMaxwell
I thoughy about Brown as well. They were comparing him to Reggie White in Cleveland before he even stepped foot on the field. Brown and Carter--super busts.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 12:55 pm to hojo
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The topic is "who is the worst overall #1 pick," not "which #1 pick used their talent least to its fullest.
Touche. In terms of production, yes, Carter is the worst pick. Even though Jamarcus is a couple of seasons with a 44.0 QB Rating of unseating him.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 12:55 pm to MadMaxwell
Wasn't Aundrey Bruce a #1 pick? He was a pretty big bust.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:15 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
JR = or > Aundray Bruce, or Steve Emtman.
JR >>> Ki-Jana Carter, Tim Couch, and Big Dan Wilkinson
JR >>> Ki-Jana Carter, Tim Couch, and Big Dan Wilkinson
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:16 pm to NorCal Tiger
quote:DING
Wasn't Aundrey Bruce a #1 pick?
42 starts in 11 year career.
JR has 25 starts in only 3.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:20 pm to hojo
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Worse than Ki-Jana Carter? I don't think so.
I'm with the other poster in giving Carter a little slack due to the fact that he had both of his knees destroyed. Russell has no injuries to deal with (other than being a member of the Oakland Raiders) and is just total fail based solely on his ability.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:23 pm to deuce985
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got paid and doesn't give a shite about anything else
obviously a huge fricking fail here....
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:25 pm to KCBasketball
quote:tell that to randy moss after he escaped from OAK
Cant teach work ethic and ability to care.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:28 pm to Rouge
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tell that to randy moss after he escaped from OAK
LOL. Yea this is the same.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:30 pm to GABlueDog
Yes, and we've determined that injuries, while unfortunate, are still part of the package in determining who the "worst" #1 pick of all time is. Yes, bad luck that he tore up his knees. Still a bad pick in retrospect. Still horrible stats--14 starts in 7 years--1114 yards rushing--total. No arguing that, I'm afraid.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:35 pm to ItTakesAThief
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Tim Couch....
JR may be on his way, but you have to give him some time to see how he works out.
What a joke. Couch was a legit quarterback on a Browns team that was 10 time worst than any team Russell has played on. Couch was a hard worker and took the Browns to the playoffs. He had arm injuries that ended a promising career early.
Russell is just a fricking waste.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:36 pm to TIGERSofCHAOS
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Jamarcus can play well if he puts his mind to it.
Are you sure of this statement? I don't know if his struggles are due to his current organization, the level of athletes at the pro level, his work ethic or his mental capabilities...but if I were an Oakland fan, I would believe he is one if not the worst number one ever.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:36 pm to KCBasketball
quote:unbelieveable physical ability that totally lacks motivation in OAK
LOL. Yea this is the same.
sounds pretty damn close to me
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:40 pm to hojo
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Yes, and we've determined that injuries, while unfortunate, are still part of the package in determining who the "worst" #1 pick of all time is.
YOU may have determined that. I respectfully disagree.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:40 pm to Dallasgrowl
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Are you sure of this statement? I don't know if his struggles are due to his current organization, the level of athletes at the pro level, his work ethic or his mental capabilities...
Lets face it, the guy is a dumbass.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:42 pm to bomber77
quote:a dumbass that has enough ability to pick apart SEC defenses and make tens of millions as number 1 overall pick
Lets face it, the guy is a dumbass.
i want to be that kind of dumbass
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:42 pm to Rouge
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unbelieveable physical ability that totally lacks motivation in OAK
sounds pretty damn close to me
Huge difference in receiver and QB. If Russell was a TE it wouldnt matter. Moss has had over 1k yeards each season he played 15 games or more. Also that started in Minn not Oak.
And at least he started a charity in Oakland while he was there for all of 2 years.
I am pretty sure Moss lobbied like hell to get out of Oakland so he could be excited about playing again. Russell isnt doing shite.
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:42 pm to bomber77
Okay. Regardless of the issue, he is that.
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