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re: In case you still think the Mavs aren't soft
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:30 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:30 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:
so you are telling me most people don't judge certain football players as better based on titles ?
So, you do admit that that is a criteria used by most people to rank players, right?
Moving a player up or down a few spots because they weren't able to win under certain circumstances is legit.
These circumstances are, in Dirk's case, being up 2-0 in the finals, being on a team with one of the biggest payrolls in the league(top 2?), being the #1 seed one year...
I'm seriously only moving him a few spots. It's not like I'm saying he's not in my top 50 or 30. I'm just saying he'll move into my top 25 if he wins a title or two.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 10:32 am
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:33 am to Philosoraptor
Who's a better player, Jeff Hornacek or Robert Horry?
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:34 am to Philosoraptor
quote:
so you are telling me most people don't judge certain football players as better based on titles ?
So, you do admit that that is a criteria used by most people to rank players, right?
Most people think Batting Average is the best baseball metric, too. Doesn't make it right...
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:34 am to ThePistol
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This discussion in general is pointless at this point in time. We have some people here who are pissed that the Mavericks are in the Finals so they want to run to the message boards after one game. These same people were probably saying Dallas was done after the Portland collapse and Miami was done after game one in Chicago. That's the way the NBA playoffs go, the team who won the last game looks like they will never lose. Let's let this thing play out.
I agree. But I'm not basing it off of last game. I'm basing it off of his career so far.
He still might win this series and if he does, I'll give him his props.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:35 am to Sophandros
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Most people think Batting Average is the best baseball metric, too. Doesn't make it right...
I'm not saying titles is the "best basketball metric". I'm just saying it's something that is used to rank players.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:35 am to Philosoraptor
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He still might win this series and if he does, I'll give him his props.
And all I'm saying is that if you think that he's top 20 IF he wins this series, then you logically have to believe that he's top 20 right now, as he's the same player today that he will be after the series is over.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:36 am to Philosoraptor
quote:
Most people think Batting Average is the best baseball metric, too. Doesn't make it right...
I'm not saying titles is the "best basketball metric". I'm just saying it's something that is used to rank players.
I hope you're being deliberately obtuse.
My point is that just because "most people" think a certain way, that doesn't mean that it's necessarily the correct way to think.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:38 am to Sophandros
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And all I'm saying is that if you think that he's top 20 IF he wins this series, then you logically have to believe that he's top 20 right now, as he's the same player today that he will be after the series is over.
I never said he would be top 20 if he wins a title. I said he'd move up a few spots into top 25.
I just can't justify him moving to top 20 as a one-dimensional player, right now.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:39 am to Philosoraptor
quote:
So, you do admit that that is a criteria used by most people to rank players, right?
sure, I'm, saying its stupid. Soph is right, Dirk doesn't get magically transformed if Dallas wins this series.
quote:
Moving a player up or down a few spots because they weren't able to win under certain circumstances is legit.
Define legit? Cause most people do it doesn't mean its correct. Jim Plunkett won 2 SB's he is not better than Dan Marino, I don't care what most people think.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:44 am to H-Town Tiger
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H-Town Tiger
We can argue about this all day, everyday, but the matter of the fact is that I am right and you are wrong.
But seriously, it's just opinion. Everybody is gonna have different criteria they look at and opinions will vary on how important that criteria is to them. So, I'll be the better man and say that you had good points but it wasn't enough. You'll be top 25 in my book someday.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:48 am to Sophandros
quote:
And all I'm saying is that if you think that he's top 20 IF he wins this series, then you logically have to believe that he's top 20 right now, as he's the same player today that he will be after the series is over.
You can say this 1,000 times and I still don't think he will get it. Just saying.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:49 am to Philosoraptor
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We can argue about this all day, everyday, but the matter of the fact is that I am right and you are wrong
I just don't see this.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:50 am to H-Town Tiger
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Jim Plunkett won 2 SB's he is not better than Dan Marino, I don't care what most people think.
Face it H-town he JUST DOESN'T get it.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:59 am to dukke v
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I just don't see this.
It was a joke. We'll never agree.
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Face it H-town he JUST DOESN'T get it.
I DO get it. I understand where he's coming from. But like I said, in certain circumstances, titles need to be put into the equation.
And again, I don't think he's top 20. He's somewhere between 25-30. He can move up to the top 25 if he wins a title or two. Or he plays till he's 40 at this high of a level.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 11:01 am
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:04 am to Philosoraptor
quote:
And again, I don't think he's top 20
OK this MUST be asked. Give me your top 25 for verification.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:30 am to dukke v
In alphabetical order:
That's what I have ahead of Dirk.
Top 10:
quote:
Bob Pettit
Charles Barkley
David Robinson
Duncan
Elgin Baylor
Erving
Isiah Thomas
Jerry West
Kareem
Karl Malone
KG
Kobe
Larry Bird
LBJ
Magic
MJ
Moses Malone
Olajuwon
Oscar
Pete Maravich
Pippen
Russell
Shaq
Stockton
Wilt
That's what I have ahead of Dirk.
Top 10:
quote:
MJ
Magic
Larry Bird
Wilt
Kareem
Russell
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Oscar
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 11:31 am
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:31 am to xiv
quote:
Dead serious question
why the obsession with tearing the Mavs a new one every 3 minutes?
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:33 am to stapuffmarshy
quote:Some people have teams they hate. This is a sports board.
why the obsession with tearing the Mavs a new one every 3 minutes?
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:42 am to xiv
quote:
This is xiv's personal bitch board.
got it, figures
Posted on 6/2/11 at 12:07 pm to xiv
You are acting like a moron on this issue.
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