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re: Hornets fans
Posted on 5/6/10 at 5:51 pm to MrWiseGuy
Posted on 5/6/10 at 5:51 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:The Hornets dont need a jumpshooting 7 footer. At best he's Tyson Chandler,imo. But does he know that, or does he think he's Dwight Howard?
Whiteside on the other hand has actually a very decent jumpshot. He looks like he has the shooting stroke to be a very good 18 foot jump shooter
Seems like the reason a guy like Noah worked out was because he knew what type of player his was and accepted it.
There isnt an a big man in this draft worth the Hornets pick outside of Cousins, Favors, or Monoroe, imo.
They wont be able to get any of those guys which why i think they should go after Henry who could start from day 1. Or George whos long, athletic, and has a really good shot. He also shot over 90% from the line this year
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Posted on 5/6/10 at 5:56 pm to eyeran
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The Hornets dont need a jumpshooting 7 footer. At best he's Tyson Chandler,imo. But does he know that, or does he think he's Dwight Howard?
Whoa, you said earlier, you don't want a guy that has no offensive game.
First, Whiteside is extremely athletic. Compares very much so to TC. He goes up and gets the ball above the rim plenty of times in college. I just said he has a jumpshot because imagine if Tyson could knock down the 15 footer.
A guy that can pick and roll to the basket with CP and a guy that can pick and pop and knock down the jumpshot. OMG that would be ideal. But Whiteside did do this at Marshall so that's why it's the draft
Posted on 5/6/10 at 5:58 pm to MrWiseGuy
I'm hoping Aminu or Monroe falls to us, but with what we are likely going to have to choose from, I'd go with Udoh. He's not only projected to go high because of his measures. If you paid attention to the mock drafts throughout the year, you would have seen the progression Udoh made on the draft boards because he played his way up there. He has a pretty solid offensive game. Just needs to work on adding a little more consistency on offense, add a little bit of weight, and work on explosiveness.
I definitely do not want Cole Aldrich or Xavier Henry. I can really see both of them being busts at the next level, especially Aldrich. I know Udoh is a high risk player as well, but I'm just more confident that he'll work his butt off, and with the steady development he had throughout this season, I can see him progressing in the NBA.
I dunno about drafting Hayward from Butler. Definitely a smart player and he had a great offensive game at the college level, I just don't know that he'll be able to do the same thing professionally. Like someone else mentioned, will he be able to guard NBA SFs? I'd almost prefer to trade the pick down to snag Devin Ebanks around the tail-end of the 1st Rd. Needs to work on consistency and assertiveness, but he would be an instant upgrade to our horrible perimeter defense if nothing else.
I definitely do not want Cole Aldrich or Xavier Henry. I can really see both of them being busts at the next level, especially Aldrich. I know Udoh is a high risk player as well, but I'm just more confident that he'll work his butt off, and with the steady development he had throughout this season, I can see him progressing in the NBA.
I dunno about drafting Hayward from Butler. Definitely a smart player and he had a great offensive game at the college level, I just don't know that he'll be able to do the same thing professionally. Like someone else mentioned, will he be able to guard NBA SFs? I'd almost prefer to trade the pick down to snag Devin Ebanks around the tail-end of the 1st Rd. Needs to work on consistency and assertiveness, but he would be an instant upgrade to our horrible perimeter defense if nothing else.
Posted on 5/6/10 at 5:58 pm to eyeran
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They wont be able to get any of those guys which why i think they should go after Henry who could start from day 1. Or George whos long, athletic, and has a really good shot. He also shot over 90% from the line this year
I think Henry is more of a potential factor. I'd rather George over him. Boy can that guy stroke it. 45% from 3 his freshman year. And as you said 90% from the line this year. Would not be disappointed at all with him
Posted on 5/6/10 at 6:15 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:I get what you're saying about Henry but i think he's one of the least risky players we could take at 11. He most likely wont be a superstar, but i dont see much bust potential either. He just has a nice steady game. Often times he deferred at Kansas when he was probably the best player on their team. I think he tops out as a Caron Butler-type
I think Henry is more of a potential factor. I'd rather George over him. Boy can that guy stroke it. 45% from 3 his freshman year. And as you said 90% from the line this year. Would not be disappointed at all with him
Posted on 5/6/10 at 6:17 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:
Buddinger actually is tremendously athletic.
I know, you're ignoring the second half of the sentence. Tremendously athletic AND a high ceiling. It seems like most people were of the opinion that he had reached his ceiling in college, and that that was why he fell.
Posted on 5/6/10 at 6:18 pm to MrWiseGuy
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We are in no position to compete right now. We are at best when fully healthy a 7-8 seed and potential non playoff team. Going with a BOOM or BUST seems more appropriate to me than a "safe" pick. But of course it's just everyones preference of whom they'd like.
I agree, and if we were picking 3 more spots ahead and had a chance at someone with a decent probability of panning out, then I'd say go for it. But at 11, we're likely to get the fringe guy who doesn't. JMO, like you said.
Posted on 5/6/10 at 6:57 pm to eyeran
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Often times he deferred at Kansas when he was probably the best player on their team.
Eh, this was actually a pretty big problem for Henry and Kansas. Henry was regarded as the X-Factor on Kansas. When he showed up, Kansas won. If he didn't show up, Kansas didn't have the easiest of games. Problem is, Henry really didn't show up consistently and just didn't assert himself on offense. There's a difference between deferring the ball and not asserting yourself, and I think Henry lands on the latter side.
Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:02 pm to kadillak
quote:Thats why i think he'd be fine with the Hornets. He'd be a third or fourth option behind Paul, West, and probably Thornton. If Paul puts up 20+, West puts up 20, Thornton puts up around 18, the Hornets would be fine with him going for 12-15 early on.
Eh, this was actually a pretty big problem for Henry and Kansas. Henry was regarded as the X-Factor on Kansas. When he showed up, Kansas won. If he didn't show up, Kansas didn't have the easiest of games. Problem is, Henry really didn't show up consistently and just didn't assert himself on offense. There's a difference between deferring the ball and not asserting yourself, and I think Henry lands on the latter side.
This post was edited on 5/6/10 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:23 pm to eyeran
Xavier Henry is coming out of college to early IMO just like Julian did (though I am not trying to compare the two). Just IMO taking Patterson is the best decision, he is going to be the most NBA ready player around the 11th pick. Taking a center is a popular pick and a need but risky and I think this is going to end up West's last year in N.O. and he will either opt-out or get traded next offseason. Take Patterson let him backup West for a year and then he could be the new PF on a rookie contract. There are no SF worth taking with the 11th pick, trying to trade for another pick could be an option. As for a Center the best solution is trade as well but doubt the team is better at that position next year.
Posted on 5/6/10 at 9:18 pm to Markie812
NBAdraft.net has us selecting Ed Davis from North Carolina.
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NBA Comparison: PJ Brown
Strengths: Long, athletic, lefty post player who shows a great deal of potential due to his length, athleticism and skill level … An underrated athlete who has very “live” legs and a high motor … Has a great feel for playing in the post offensively, with crafty fakes and up and under moves. Appears comfortable operating in close as well as 8-10 feet away from the basket … Can score in a variety of ways and has tremendous footwork for his age … Shows excellent touch in the paint converting lefty hook shots and looks to dunk everything … His offensive game, while still unproven, shows a great deal of upside … His long arms and explosive leaping ability allow him to finish with explosive dunks even when attacking the basket from a few feet out … Strong rebounder. Hits the glass hard and shows a willingness to battle inside … Runs the floor well with both speed in the open floor and good lateral quickness … He’s a top notch shot blocker for a forward due to excellent timing, explosiveness and length … Appears to have a 7-foot-2 wingspan, or close … Does not have a superstar attitude, he has a workman's approach to the game that is refreshing to see from such a talented player …
Weaknesses: Needs to add strength … Does not have a big (wide shoulders) frame so he's never going to be an overpowering type of post guy, but he can certainly add 20-25 lbs and be a finesse type of 4 ala Chris Bosh ... As a freshman he was unable to finish well through contact when attacking the rim on dunks. Added strength will make him a terror around the basket as he’ll be able to fully utilize his great length and improve his finishing ability … Should look to extend his range, developing a consistent mid-range shot … He has good touch and it will likely be a matter of practice and repetition and he will be able to develop a reliable J. His lefty jump hook shot shows nice potential but he often came up short on attempts as a freshman …
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NBA Comparison: PJ Brown
Strengths: Long, athletic, lefty post player who shows a great deal of potential due to his length, athleticism and skill level … An underrated athlete who has very “live” legs and a high motor … Has a great feel for playing in the post offensively, with crafty fakes and up and under moves. Appears comfortable operating in close as well as 8-10 feet away from the basket … Can score in a variety of ways and has tremendous footwork for his age … Shows excellent touch in the paint converting lefty hook shots and looks to dunk everything … His offensive game, while still unproven, shows a great deal of upside … His long arms and explosive leaping ability allow him to finish with explosive dunks even when attacking the basket from a few feet out … Strong rebounder. Hits the glass hard and shows a willingness to battle inside … Runs the floor well with both speed in the open floor and good lateral quickness … He’s a top notch shot blocker for a forward due to excellent timing, explosiveness and length … Appears to have a 7-foot-2 wingspan, or close … Does not have a superstar attitude, he has a workman's approach to the game that is refreshing to see from such a talented player …
Weaknesses: Needs to add strength … Does not have a big (wide shoulders) frame so he's never going to be an overpowering type of post guy, but he can certainly add 20-25 lbs and be a finesse type of 4 ala Chris Bosh ... As a freshman he was unable to finish well through contact when attacking the rim on dunks. Added strength will make him a terror around the basket as he’ll be able to fully utilize his great length and improve his finishing ability … Should look to extend his range, developing a consistent mid-range shot … He has good touch and it will likely be a matter of practice and repetition and he will be able to develop a reliable J. His lefty jump hook shot shows nice potential but he often came up short on attempts as a freshman …
Posted on 5/6/10 at 9:26 pm to CatahoulaTigers
I'm hoping a team like Philly would rather Davis so
Monroe can fall to us.
Mynbadraft.com has Johnson going 8. God that would be a DREAM scenario for him to fall to us at 11
Monroe can fall to us.
Mynbadraft.com has Johnson going 8. God that would be a DREAM scenario for him to fall to us at 11
This post was edited on 5/6/10 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 5/6/10 at 9:30 pm to CatahoulaTigers
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NBAdraft.net has us selecting Ed Davis from North Carolina.
Has he ever actually been good? Dude might be Marvin Williams except with an extra year in college to prove how ok he is.
Posted on 5/6/10 at 9:33 pm to saintsfan22
quote:No.
Has he ever actually been good?
Which is why i think he came out. Another year would've exposed him even more
Posted on 5/6/10 at 9:36 pm to CatahoulaTigers
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:43 pm to eyeran
quote:
The Hornets dont need a jumpshooting 7 footer. At best he's Tyson Chandler,imo. But does he know that, or does he think he's Dwight Howard?
These are some scouting reports that jumped out at me on Whiteside...
Whiteside has a jumper that projects to be above average for a big. Despite being so inexperienced in many facets of the game, his shot is so smooth that it looks advanced. He is able to use that shot to make turnaround fadeaway jumpers and three-pointers. The shot can be a bit streaky and nobody wants a seven-footer playing away from the basket too much, but it is a weapon that should allow him to stretch defenders at least a little bit. When Whiteside hits a jumper, it typically looks very pure.
The most immediately effective part of Whiteside's offensive game will probably be setting on-ball screens. He isn't strong enough where defenders will be unable to fight through the screen, but he's long enough to create a wide obstacle and then the dribbler will have the option of hitting him rolling to the bucket for a Chris Paul to Tyson Chandler type of lob that we frequently saw in New Orleans, or they can also hit him for an open jumper. Whiteside will have the option of taking a 15-footer that he should eventually be able to hit at an efficient percentage, or he can put the ball on the deck to drive the lane.
Like I said. Imagine if TC could make the 15 ft jumper. The pick and roll with CP3 would be ...well Id like our chances let's just say that lol
Here ya goe eyeran. : LINK
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:56 pm to MrWiseGuy
Im always willing to be proven wrong and i think you're starting to change my mind on him. 
I still prefer Henry but i think Whiteside might be 2nd on my wishlist now. Thats out of the guys we have chance at, of course.
I guess i'll wait till the combine and see how he works/measures out before i'm leading the bandwagon
I still prefer Henry but i think Whiteside might be 2nd on my wishlist now. Thats out of the guys we have chance at, of course.
I guess i'll wait till the combine and see how he works/measures out before i'm leading the bandwagon
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:09 am to eyeran
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I guess i'll wait till the combine and see how he works/measures out before i'm leading the bandwagon
Whiteside looks to have a bright future depending on the work he puts in. The knock on his shot is consistency , but that is all about putting in the effort to GET more consistent....600 shots a day.
It would be nice if he filled out a little , and could play solid D at the rim....but a 7' er who could hit an 18 ft J paired with CP3 would be interesting.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:21 am to Pistol...2K4
Reading about him, he has a MAJOR negative though, imo
He just doesnt seem all that bright. And thats probably putting it lightly
He's a freshman in college and is about to turn 21 in a month. He was barely able to qualify for school and struggled to stay qualified once he got there. I also read he looks like he has no clue whats going on on the court at times. Those are all very questionable things for the 11th overall pick, imo
He just doesnt seem all that bright. And thats probably putting it lightly
He's a freshman in college and is about to turn 21 in a month. He was barely able to qualify for school and struggled to stay qualified once he got there. I also read he looks like he has no clue whats going on on the court at times. Those are all very questionable things for the 11th overall pick, imo
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:37 am to eyeran
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Those are all very questionable things for the 11th overall pick, imo
I highlighted it for ya , because if that is the case I agree
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