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Help me understand why putting in conference champs alone is a bad idea?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:24 am
It follows logic. It makes no logical sense that a team can struggle to win their conference more than the national championship.
Why not force the 16-team power conferences to all be one league and delegate the G5 to their own league with their own championship?
This way, you have four 16-team conferences with 8 teams in each division. Play 10 conference games and do a conference challenge (ACC-Big 10) (SEC-Pac12) like basketball for the other two games at the beginning of the season.
The conference championship game winners will all play for the NC in a 4 team playoff.
Not sure how the logistics would work, but I'd even be open to relegation and promotion of teams. (Looking at you Kansas)
Why not force the 16-team power conferences to all be one league and delegate the G5 to their own league with their own championship?
This way, you have four 16-team conferences with 8 teams in each division. Play 10 conference games and do a conference challenge (ACC-Big 10) (SEC-Pac12) like basketball for the other two games at the beginning of the season.
The conference championship game winners will all play for the NC in a 4 team playoff.
Not sure how the logistics would work, but I'd even be open to relegation and promotion of teams. (Looking at you Kansas)
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:24 am to Moustache
2012 Wisconsin is why.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:25 am to Moustache
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Help me understand why putting in conference champs alone is a bad idea?
Some conferences are bad.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:25 am to Moustache
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Help me understand why putting in conference champs alone is a bad idea?
You have five Power-5 conferences and only four available slots
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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2012 Wisconsin is why.
In a normal year, it's inconsequential. However, if it happens again, it's highly doubtful they'd win the NC. And if they do, it's no worse than 2011 Alabama or 2017 Alabama winning it all. Or the fact that people completely overlooked 2017 Auburn's 2 losses and were willing to rank them 1 or 2 had they won yesterday.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:26 am to Moustache
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Why not force the 16-team power conferences to all be one league and delegate the G5 to their own league with their own championship?
in a perfect world
until then, this current system is working
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:26 am to 12Pence
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You have five Power-5 conferences and only four available slots
I'm saying dissolve the big 12 and have FOUR power conferences with 16 teams each.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:27 am to Moustache
Help me understand why you didn't just put this in the CFP thread.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:27 am to rocket31
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until then, this current system is working
Not really....OSU getting in last year was a joke and Alabama likely getting in this year is a joke. How can one win a National championship when they couldn't even win their conference? It defies logic.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:28 am to Moustache
Say this season went exactly the same, but that Auburn-Bama game was played and Bama lost because Jalen Hurts injured his ankle the previous week and was out for the Iron Bowl.
Bama goes 11-1 and only loss is because their qb was hurt.
That's why I'm against a mandate that you have to win your conference.
Bama goes 11-1 and only loss is because their qb was hurt.
That's why I'm against a mandate that you have to win your conference.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:28 am to Moustache
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However, if it happens again, it's highly doubtful they'd win the NC. And if they do, it's no worse than 2011 Alabama or 2017 Alabama winning it all. Or the fact that people completely overlooked 2017 Auburn's 2 losses and were willing to rank them 1 or 2 had they won yesterday.
Yes, it is. It's much worse. They finished 8-6. The number of teams that need to be in to mitigate that problem is too many.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:28 am to Moustache
I prefer that because even though conferences will be better or worse than each other in different years, at least everyone knows the criteria going in and what one must do to get in. That would still leave one power conference team out though...slight tweaking needed there. I don't like unknown/changing variables coming into play. We got rid of the BCS and it basically seems like the BCS all over (it does = good drama though).
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:28 am to TN Bhoy
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Some conferences are bad.
So? The committee has shown they don't care how bad the conference is. Look at the sec this year, in particular Bama's schedule.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:28 am to High C
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elp me understand why you didn't just put this in the CFP thread.
because I'm not reading all that shite.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:29 am to Choupique19
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Say this season went exactly the same, but that Auburn-Bama game was played and Bama lost because Jalen Hurts injured his ankle the previous week and was out for the Iron Bowl.
Bama goes 11-1 and only loss is because their qb was hurt.
That's why I'm against a mandate that you have to win your conference.
Injuries are part of the game. Do we give a pass to teams whose QB was hurt for two weeks and it was the only two losses they had?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:30 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yes, it is. It's much worse. They finished 8-6. The number of teams that need to be in to mitigate that problem is too many.
Each team had a chance to win their conference and beat them. If 2012 wisconsin would've beaten 2012 Alabama, then maybe the Big 10 was just really tough that year.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:32 am to Big EZ Tiger
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prefer that because even though conferences will be better or worse than each other in different years, at least everyone knows the criteria going in and what one must do to get in.
Exactly. No more politicking, no more "mysterious" criteria and super-secret committee. No more teams being rewarded for sitting on their arse like Alabama has been.
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That would still leave one power conference team out though...slight tweaking needed there
Right....We would need to dissolve a conference and pair into 16 team conferences. The rest of the teams would be relegated to their own division.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:33 am to Moustache
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Injuries are part of the game. Do we give a pass to teams whose QB was hurt for two weeks and it was the only two losses they had?
I think there would be an argument for that.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:34 am to Choupique19
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I think there would be an argument for that.
Where does it end? What if it was 3 games, or 4? It's just tough luck and tough shite. It happens. Ohio State still managed to win an NC with TWO QB injuries. It's part of the game.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:46 am to Moustache
A 7-1 team in the SEC wins their division probably 95% of the time... Alabama didn't, but that's not their fault bc other teams won other games
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