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re: Has there ever been a round of boxing better than Rnd 1 Hagler/Hearns?
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:57 am to sms151t
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:57 am to sms151t
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I am a huge Hagler fan and still am pissed this day that Vegas gave Leonard the fight in 87. There is in no way the Champ should ever have to concede fight length, ring space, or billing. But somehow Ray Leonard got all the things he wanted in that fight
It's called a negotiation. Hagler didn't have to concede anything. Hell, Hagler didn't "concede" anything. He came to an agreement in an arms-length contract. Stop bitching because your guy lost.
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Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:59 am to SystemsGo
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It's called a negotiation. Hagler didn't have to concede anything. Hell, Hagler didn't "concede" anything. He came to an agreement in an arms-length contract. Stop bitching because your guy lost.
bobbyray bringing the heat.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:00 pm to Bloodworth
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Hagler was robbed against Leonard. Close fight but Hagler landed harder punches and he was champ! Leonard needed to do more to get belt. Hagler is my favorite of all time. A true warrior
No he wasn't. You can select 50 random people off the street and have them watch and score that fight, and 25 will score it for Leonard.
I've watched it at least 10 times and I've scored it for Leonard in every single instance.
It was a close fight that reasonable people could go different ways on. It was not robbery by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:02 pm to brgfather129
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bobbyray bringing the heat.
You must have me confused with someone else. My screenname is SystemsGo...as you can see right here.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:02 pm to SystemsGo
Sorry Deon.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:04 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Read a great article about this fight several years ago. Mentioned all of the things you stated above, plus Leonard basically admitting he "stole" rounds by flurrying in the last 30 seconds. None of those punches had any effect whatsoever. Total screw job. Hagler is still unhappy about it even all these years later.
Grantland oral history. It is excellent. And Leonard did steal rounds by landing punches. That's sort of how boxing works. You try to punch the other guy. It's like the main idea.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:09 pm to sugar71
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Hearns 2 round annihilation of Roberto Duran is perhaps what Hearns thought he could accomplish against Hagler:
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Duran is considered the greatest lightweight of all time & top ten pound for pound by the Ring magazine.
Hearns dispatched him in 2 rounds with 3 knockdowns.
1)A straight right floors him & Duran is on "queer street" according to the announcers.
2) a left uppercut lifts Duran 3 inches off the mat but he is saved by the bell.. "Duran is on queer street". ...."Duran is going to the wrong corner"... "this is not gonna last" (no shite).
3rd knickdown is a vicious straight right which causes Duran to fall face forward & his corner scrapes him off the mat..
Duran never really wants a rematch. As great as Duran was Hearns was an awful match up.
Likewise Hagler was a bad match up for Hearns.
Emmanuel Steward is glad his fighter didn't get ruined in that fight & gladly moved on.
Hearns is a terrible matchup for Duran. You can only give up that kind of height if you're making up for it with your own quickness, and that wasn't the case with Duran vis a vis Hearns. They could have fought have ten times and Hearns wins all ten.
Interestingly, I think the same analysis would lead one to believe that Hearns would have also been a bad matchup for Aaron Pryor. But Aaron Pryor beat Hearns as an amateur.
Pryor v. Hearns 1976
I love me some hawk. They say Duran was the greatest lightweight in history, but that can't possibly be the case. Because if Duran fought Pryor at lightweight, Pryor wins.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:25 pm to SystemsGo
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That's sort of how amateur boxing works. You try to punch the other guy and it doesn't matter how effective it is. It's like the main idea.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:39 pm to sugar71
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Duran is considered the greatest lightweight of all time & top ten pound for pound by the Ring magazine.
Hearns dispatched him in 2 rounds with 3 knockdowns
Why the hell was Duran fighting Hearns at Super Welterweight? I mean, OF COURSE he's gonna lose that fight every single day of the week. At least make Tommy cut some weight.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:41 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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That's sort of how amateur boxing works. You try to punch the other guy and it doesn't matter how effective it is. It's like the main idea.
It's how pro boxing works too, friend. You can complain until you're blue in the face that Leonard wasn't hitting Hagler with anything that could hurt him, but Hagler wasn't hurting Leonard either.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:46 pm to Roaad
Hagler Hearns is the best fight my two, now four eyes have ever witnessed
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:50 pm to SystemsGo
come on….amateur boxing scores every punch the same, even knockdowns. prof boxing has never worked that way. i won't say Leonard was ever seriously hurt, but i don't think there's any debate that Hagler landed more effective punches. the punch count was 306-291 Leonard, pretty even over a 12 round bout. and since Hagler landed what i felt were more effective punches, i'd have given him the decision based on that.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:53 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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come on….amateur boxing scores every punch the same, even knockdowns. prof boxing has never worked that way. i won't say Leonard was ever seriously hurt, but i don't think there's any debate that Hagler landed more effective punches. the punch count was 306-291 Leonard, pretty even over a 12 round bout. and since Hagler landed what i felt were more effective punches, i'd have given him the decision based on that.
I know about the scoring differences, but you're acting as if it doesn't matter who lands more punches. It certainly does, and it especially does when neither fighter is getting hurt by the other guy's shots.
Listen, I'm not calling you or anybody else an idiot for thinking Hagler won the fight. It was definitely a close fight. But I've always scored it for Leonard every time I've watched it, and I like both guys (though i probably do like Leonard a bit more). You can totally disagree with the decision but it was very defensible.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:55 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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come on….amateur boxing scores every punch the same, even knockdowns. prof boxing has never worked that way. i won't say Leonard was ever seriously hurt, but i don't think there's any debate that Hagler landed more effective punches. the punch count was 306-291 Leonard, pretty even over a 12 round bout. and since Hagler landed what i felt were more effective punches, i'd have given him the decision based on that.
Score the fight round by round and list it here if you get a chance. I'll try to do the same.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 1:00 pm to SystemsGo
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ou can totally disagree with the decision but it was very defensible.
Fair enough. I do think the judges were influenced by the crowd when Leonard would go into his flurries. I will say for Hagler's sake, if he wants to be bitter about a decision, he should watch a tape of his first fight with Antuofermo. And although I find it crazy that things like ring size, thickness of gloves, etc are negotiable, Hagler chose the money and it might have cost him the win.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 1:02 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Fair enough. I do think the judges were influenced by the crowd when Leonard would go into his flurries. I will say for Hagler's sake, if he wants to be bitter about a decision, he should watch a tape of his first fight with Antuofermo. And although I find it crazy that things like ring size, thickness of gloves, etc are negotiable, Hagler chose the money and it might have cost him the win.
That ring was massive, and Leonard used every inch.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 1:05 pm to SystemsGo
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That ring was massive, and Leonard used every inch.
Did he dictate tightness of the ropes too? or am i thinking Ali-Foreman?
i'll give it to Leonard, he was one hell of a negotiator. He got Donny Lalonde to put his light heavyweight title on the line, but at the super middleweight weight limit...
Posted on 4/3/15 at 1:11 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Did he dictate tightness of the ropes too? or am i thinking Ali-Foreman?
You're thinking of Ali Foreman.
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i'll give it to Leonard, he was one hell of a negotiator. He got Donny Lalonde to put his light heavyweight title on the line, but at the super middleweight weight limit.
Wow, I didn't know that. That's amazing.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 1:14 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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come on….amateur boxing scores every punch the same, even knockdowns. prof boxing has never worked that way. i won't say Leonard was ever seriously hurt, but i don't think there's any debate that Hagler landed more effective punches. the punch count was 306-291 Leonard, pretty even over a 12 round bout. and since Hagler landed what i felt were more effective punches, i'd have given him the decision based on that.
You've gotta be impressed by the way Leonard perfectly executed his gameplan, though, right?
It really was a perfect strategy. He would brawl with Hagler...but only for about 10 seconds at a time. He'd engage him, win the exchange, but make sure it was brief, and then he'd pop back out again. He tried to do that three times a round.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 1:24 pm to SystemsGo
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You've gotta be impressed by the way Leonard perfectly executed his gameplan, though, right?
It really was a perfect strategy. He would brawl with Hagler...but only for about 10 seconds at a time. He'd engage him, win the exchange, but make sure it was brief, and then he'd pop back out again. He tried to do that three times a round.
Oh no doubt…I don't fault him at all for anything he did. I think he knew that was his best chance to win the fight, learning from what happened in his first fight with Duran. Just a smart smart fighter in addition to being talented. Don't know that I'll get to watch it all, but through 3, i have it 2-0-1 Leonard. Scored round 2 a draw…neither guy did much of anything.
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