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Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:18 pm to Sophandros
Millen is making a complete arse of himself. He does nothing but deflect everything off of Joe Paterno.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:18 pm to bjc778
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Have the NCAA revoke Penn State University’s membership.
This will allow Penn State University to continue to operate and participate in all activities not sanctioned by the NCAA.
I'm sure that the schools who play Penn State would appreciate that one.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:18 pm to BigBrod81
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This didn't stop the NCAA from hitting the Baylor basketball program with heavy sanctions after the murder conspiracy the involved a player & head coach.
Then they violated NCAA rules in their actions. But trust me, the NCAA isn't punishing an institution for criminal behavior outside the scope of sports-related the NCAA.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:18 pm to Sophandros
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How is removing a name a "punishment"?
Please, try to be logical here.
I'd assume it was an honor to have his name on it. Stripping his name off it is easily describable as a punishment.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:19 pm to Sophandros
Because they are a "Hot Ticket" now...
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:20 pm to Roughneck
no offense but im getting tired of hearing about this
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'd assume it was an honor to have his name on it. Stripping his name off it is easily describable as a punishment.
You have to be trolling now.
How in the world can you "easily describe" removing a DEAD MAN'S NAME from a room that no one knew about until this afternoon as a punishment?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:21 pm to bjc778
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Because they are a "Hot Ticket" now...
It's a bit late to schedule games for this season, so any team that had a Penn State game at home is going to lose gate revenue.
NOW, if you mandated that Penn State would have to reimburse those institutions for lost revenue, then we may be on to something.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:24 pm to Sophandros
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How in the world can you "easily describe" removing a DEAD MAN'S NAME from a room that no one knew about until this afternoon as a punishment?
If you can't piece it together on your own, I got nothing for you.
Here's a dumbed down example, since you seem to need it.
Little Jonny is named student of the week at school, they put his name on a bulletin board stating that achievement. Later that week he gets in a fight during lunch. Part of his punishment is losing said title and having his name removed.
It's not a big punishment, but to act like you can't figure that out is silly.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:26 pm to Sophandros
Care to answer my question about joepa covering up some of his players' disciplinary problems. Not sure what is the NCAA rule on that. Say some of his players get arrested for fighting and he talks the university polIce into not filing charges. This goes on for 20-30 years. What can the NCAA do?
Also anyone know when was he diagnosed with cancer?
Also anyone know when was he diagnosed with cancer?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:28 pm to Sophandros
Now you are seeing the "Big Picture"
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:35 pm to LNCHBOX
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If you can't piece it together on your own, I got nothing for you.
No, I can piece it together just fine. The problem is that it's completely irrational. Why? Let's continue with your post...
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Little Jonny is named student of the week at school, they put his name on a bulletin board stating that achievement. Later that week he gets in a fight during lunch. Part of his punishment is losing said title and having his name removed.
OK, so guess what? Little Jonny is STILL ALIVE TO FEEL BAD ABOUT HAVING HIS TITLE REMOVED. THUS, HE HAS BEEN PUNISHED.
So who, exactly, is being "punished" by having JoePa's name removed?
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It's not a big punishment, but to act like you can't figure that out is silly.
That you think removing a dead man's name from an obscure room is punishment is beyond silly.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:36 pm to CootKilla
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Care to answer my question about joepa covering up some of his players' disciplinary problems. Not sure what is the NCAA rule on that. Say some of his players get arrested for fighting and he talks the university polIce into not filing charges. This goes on for 20-30 years. What can the NCAA do?
Probably nothing.
Not sure when he got diagnosed with cancer.
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:37 pm to bjc778
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Now you are seeing the "Big Picture"
No worries. I've long been on the side of fining the schools and individuals involved rather than the death penalty because that minimizes collateral damage.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:38 pm to Sophandros
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So who, exactly, is being "punished" by having JoePa's name removed?
His legacy, his family's legacy, PSU's image, plenty of things.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:40 pm to LNCHBOX
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His legacy, his family's legacy, PSU's image, plenty of things.
You're seriously reaching here.
First of all, you don't punish abstract concepts like legacies and images.
Second of all, his legacy, his family's legacy, PSU's image, etc. are already tarnished. In fact, it is BECAUSE they are tarnished that the sign was taken down.
The sign wasn't taken down for punitive reasons, and removing a sign is NOT a punitive measure.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:42 pm to Sophandros
I don't know if the NCAA can give a school the Death Penalty if they aren't on probation.
However there is precedent set by the NCAA in the Baylor Basketball Scandal, in which they gave the school a "Half Death Penalty." Half DP takes away a programs OOC games and post season. This punishes the school severely but doesn't punish the conference or force the conference to kick a school out or change their entire schedule.
I think the NCAA should get involved. The Athletic Director and head coach covered up 52 counts of sexual abuse, some of which occurred in the football locker room. If it happened in a small business it would have been reported. They covered it up for NCAA football and shows the entire nation what great lengths school go to for NCAA sports and tarnishes its image. It makes everyone wonder what other crimes schools have covered up for the sake of NCAA sports programs....
However there is precedent set by the NCAA in the Baylor Basketball Scandal, in which they gave the school a "Half Death Penalty." Half DP takes away a programs OOC games and post season. This punishes the school severely but doesn't punish the conference or force the conference to kick a school out or change their entire schedule.
I think the NCAA should get involved. The Athletic Director and head coach covered up 52 counts of sexual abuse, some of which occurred in the football locker room. If it happened in a small business it would have been reported. They covered it up for NCAA football and shows the entire nation what great lengths school go to for NCAA sports and tarnishes its image. It makes everyone wonder what other crimes schools have covered up for the sake of NCAA sports programs....
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:44 pm to Sophandros
i got my head bit off earlier (rather psycho-like too) for stating that i don't think the players are victims and that i think penn state should pay so badly it's basically 'insurmountable' for them to overcome.
that doesn't necessarily mean i want the dp, in fact i never mentioned the dp or ncaa in my posts. the truth is, the lawsuits and black eye for decades will probably be enough. however, i think it's ludicrous to think that the players or fans are in any way a reason (excuse) for penn state to avoid punishment.
that doesn't necessarily mean i want the dp, in fact i never mentioned the dp or ncaa in my posts. the truth is, the lawsuits and black eye for decades will probably be enough. however, i think it's ludicrous to think that the players or fans are in any way a reason (excuse) for penn state to avoid punishment.
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