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re: Football and slavery
Posted on 8/19/11 at 12:45 pm to busey
Posted on 8/19/11 at 12:45 pm to busey
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Curt Flood
It doesn't matter what ballplayers are/were making...slavery comparisons are not about finances - it's about control. The baseball reserve clause was indentured servitude and a restraint on freedom.
This post was edited on 8/19/11 at 12:47 pm
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Posted on 8/19/11 at 12:47 pm to Zamoro10
No one is forcing them to do anything. They can quite at any time. Every job is a restraint on freedom.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 12:49 pm to Zamoro10
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It doesn't matter what ballplayers are/were making
Actually, it does. See, the concept of slaery is not having a choice and working without wages. College football players have a choice, and do not work without renumeration. So, might want to consult a dictionary in the future.
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...slavery comparisons are not about finances.
Yes, they are. Because, as much as it might confuse you, slaves worked against thier will for no compensation. If they can walk off the job, and tthey are paid, well, it aint slavery.
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The baseball reserve clause was indentured servitude and a restraint on freedom
Actually, it wasnt. Indentured servnts could not quit. Baseball players could. Again, a retarded comparison made strictly to sway the emotions of those too stupid to think.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 12:58 pm to secfan123
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Actually, it wasnt. Indentured servnts could not quit. Baseball players could. Again, a retarded comparison made strictly to sway the emotions of those too stupid to think.
Dude, you are so in over your head. The reserve clause bound a player to his team for as long as the team, not the player, desired. Even after the contract itself expired, a player remained tied to the team. He could be traded, sold, or released, but the player himself could not initiate any moves on his own.
Right. So they could quit? Brilliant Clarence Darrow. Think about that for a second. You have a special skill which isn't allowed to be rewarded by free market forces - instead, your employer decides all the terms of your employment for life with them and there's no where else you can go to utilize that skill at a comparable compensatory level.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:00 pm to Zamoro10
I think there are certain people that are confused about what a "job" is. It is a place you go to that pays you to do what they ask you to do. Very few people control what they get to do at work so why would professional sports be any different?
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:01 pm to Zamoro10
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Right. So they could quit? Brilliant Clarence Darrow. Think about that for a second. You have a special skill which isn't allowed to be rewarded by free market forces - instead, your employer decides all the terms of your employment for life with them and there's no where else you can go to utilize that skill at a comparable compensatory level.
Yeah......that is just like getting raped, beaten, tortured, and even murdered in some cases with no one giving a shite. Exact same thing. You are right.....
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:03 pm to OhFace55
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I think there are certain people that are confused about what a "job" is. It is a place you go to that pays you to do what they ask you to do. Very few people control what they get to do at work so why would professional sports be any different?
This x 1000
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:05 pm to Zamoro10
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Dude, you are so in over your head.
No, you simply know little to nothing about what an indentured servant was.
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The reserve clause bound a player to his team for as long as the team, not the player, desired. Even after the contract itself expired, a player remained tied to the team. He could be traded, sold, or released, but the player himself could not initiate any moves on his own.
And he could quit at any time he desired. He could not be forced to continue to play baseball. See, an indentured servant could not quit. they could not say "enough" and walk off the job. Also, thy were paid no wages. No matter how unfair you may think the clause to be, to compare it indentured servitude only shows you know as much about indentured servitude as you do about slavery.
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Right. So they could quit? Brilliant Clarence Darrow. Think about that for a second. You have a special skill which isn't allowed to be rewarded by free market forces - instead, your employer decides all the terms of your employment for life with them and there's no where else you can go to utilize that skill at a comparable compensatory level.
"Brilliant?" No, merely factual. See, indentured servnts could not quit. they were bound to stay and perform their services. Baseball players could quit. So, by definition, they are not the same, no matter how many heart strings you wish to tug at.
Before you mak comparisons, find out what it is exactly, you are comparing.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:05 pm to Zamoro10
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your employer decides all the terms of your employment for life
After which, you sign the dotted line saying you agree. So what's your point again?
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:08 pm to Zamoro10
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Right. So they could quit? Brilliant Clarence Darrow. Think about that for a second. You have a special skill which isn't allowed to be rewarded by free market forces - instead, your employer decides all the terms of your employment for life with them and there's no where else you can go to utilize that skill at a comparable compensatory level.
Ok chief, you opened up that bag of worms, lets see you prove it. I'm willing to bet that baseball players still made more than the average job back then. Oh, and the market worked, the demand for jobs just wasn't high, so they didn't really have to cater to the players.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:15 pm to Jcorye1
For goodness sake...someone go ahead and emancipate them.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:51 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
Dumb comparison but it's hard not to argue that college sports is basically indentured servitude.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:52 pm to StrongSafety
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Maybe if they had stayed in college one more year they would be a little better at articulating their sentiments.
Yeah, I can even see what they are trying to argue. Just throwing around terms like Slavery to get people to look at what they are saying is waaaaay over board in my opinion though.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:54 pm to Bench McElroy
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Dumb comparison but it's hard not to argue that college sports is basically indentured servitude.
Its only hard not to argue that if you have no fricking clue what an indentured servant was.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:27 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
This thread made it to two pages?
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:49 pm to Kafka
Will be three if you keep replying
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:53 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Will be three if you keep replying
really?
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:54 pm to Kafka
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really?
On the reals, playa.
Posted on 8/19/11 at 3:10 pm to Jcorye1
Like, for reals real?
Posted on 8/19/11 at 3:22 pm to busey
one day they'll be teaching about the brave adrian peterson and his fight against the racial injustice of the NFL owners who paid him millions of dollars...maybe we'll even have Adrian Peterson day.
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