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re: Fake National Titles Article
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:18 pm to RonFNSwanson
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:18 pm to RonFNSwanson
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Isn't that him in your avatar?
I've gone over the story about how this avatar came to be numerous times. Bottom line, I'm too lazy to change it.
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:19 pm to RollTide1987
fair enough
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:19 pm to RollTide1987
It was fricking Penn State as an independent. Look at their schedules back then which are one reason they had undefeated teams that weren't even considered for national championships. Penn State's marquee wins in 1978 were over a 4 loss Pitt team and an Ohio State team that had 4 losses and a tie.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:21 pm to RollTide1987
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Any title awarded by the AP or the UPI is as legit as it gets.
This is news to me. I remember a lot of LSU fans saying SC didn't win a NC in '03 because the AP doesn't count
So USC was back-to-back National Champions in 03-04, right?
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:22 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
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This is news to me. I remember a lot of LSU fans saying SC didn't win a NC in '03 because the AP doesn't count
These things only apply to SEC teams when it is in the best interest of the SEC team. Thought you knew that.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:26 pm to VABuckeye
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It was fricking Penn State as an independent. Look at their schedules back then which are one reason they had undefeated teams that weren't even considered for national championships. Penn State's marquee wins in 1978 were over a 4 loss Pitt team and an Ohio State team that had 4 losses and a tie.
That doesn't change the fact that:
1) Penn State was the only undefeated team in the country and #1 in both polls
2) Alabama, ranked #2 in both polls at the time, beat them in the Sugar Bowl
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:26 pm to VABuckeye
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These things only apply to SEC teams when it is in the best interest of the SEC team. Thought you knew that.
Yup. Just like how this year bowl games are not really indicative of how strong a conference is. I wonder why not?
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:27 pm to RollTide1987
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Yes, Alabama lost head-to-head to USC in 1978. But USC was a Top 10 team Alabama lost to. USC lost to an unranked Arizona team late in the year and would have lost the Rose Bowl that season had official reviews been around back then.
I love how Bama fans like to claim quality of loss as anm argument. Yes, they beat us, but they are good, the team that beat them was bad, so there fore we are better
Look 78 is a legit title, but it's weak. Its a prefect example of why in CFB especially we should not judge teams and coaches greatness on national titles.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:27 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
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So USC was back-to-back National Champions in 03-04, right?
They have a claim to both '03 and '04 in my opinion. Bush invited both teams to the White House. Though I will admit the AP kind of decreased in stature after they left the BCS in the aftermath of the '03 season.
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:27 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
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I remember a lot of LSU fans saying SC didn't win a NC in '03 because the AP doesn't count
There is actually an argument to be made here, which is that the "dual poll" system ended in 1997 (appropriately enough, with a split championship).
But I believe this argument implies arbitrarily imposing certain standards on the selection of champions in retrospect.
For instance, this whole idea that there are "recognized champions" from 1906-1935 (from the creation of the NCAA's predecessor to the advent of the AP poll) is simply ludicrous.
There was no "national champion." Sure you had sportswriters conducting local polls. You had people like Dickinson trying to work it out mathematically (all the elements of the BCS were there back even back then!). But you had no system.
What you had before the 1930s were basically regional champions. The East was widely considered the best region, at least until the 1920s. The Midwest was the original challenger, with teams like Michigan and Chicago, Wisconsin and Minnesota.
The South and West and Great Plains were football backwaters until the 1930s, really.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:32 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I love how Bama fans like to claim quality of loss as anm argument. Yes, they beat us, but they are good, the team that beat them was bad, so there fore we are better
When you have no undefeateds and a bunch of 1-loss teams in one year, people generally look at quality of loss. Yeah, USC beat Alabama in a Top 10 match-up. But that game happened in September and one can argue Alabama improved after that game while USC regressed. I mean...they lost to a 5-lost Arizona team in the most critical month of the season. Alabama was also ranked #2 in both the AP and the Coaches going into the Sugar Bowl. That's why, when USC won the Coaches Poll by the slimmest of margins, people were shocked. At the time...the vast majority of fans and media types believed Alabama was the best team in the country, despite the head-to-head loss to the team that eventually won the Coaches Poll.
I'm not making this shite up. There are newspaper articles that you can read.
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Look 78 is a legit title, but it's weak.
That's all that matters. USC's claim to '03 is weak...but it's still a legit title.
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 1/3/13 at 4:33 pm to TxTiger82
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You have no idea what you are talking about, bro. The NCF is a joke. We don't claim 1908 because nobody back then thought we were champs of anything.
Alabama doesn't seem to have this inhibition.
The 1925 Alabama team was celebrated at every train station all the way back to Tuscaloosa.
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