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re: Coach Calipari has to be overrated right?

Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:41 am to
Posted by Eat Your Crow
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:41 am to
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we should have at least 5 titles in the last 11 years, and we have one.

Whoa now

They were the best team in 2010 and 2015. I actually would have picked them to win the title in 2020 if the tournament wasn't cancelled.

But saying "should have" when it comes to the NCAA Tournament is always a little outlandish. It's a fluky tournament, as you know.
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:20 am to
I also think not having full arenas impacts games
Home crowd in college basketball is worth points
It's weird shooting in empty arenas as well
No excuse, it's just different than what they are used to and that's for all teams

You think Auburn with a packed arena doesn't make a difference or Duke or UK
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:28 am to
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Whoa now

They were the best team in 2010 and 2015. I actually would have picked them to win the title in 2020 if the tournament wasn't cancelled.

But saying "should have" when it comes to the NCAA Tournament is always a little outlandish. It's a fluky tournament, as you know.


IMO, it's a bit ridiculous to say we should've won X when the NCAA Tournament has never been set up for the best teams to win. Just the hottest in March.

We have 8 in our total history at UK (not counting Helms Titles either). Between Rupp, Hall, Smith, Pitino, and Calipari. If it was easy to win one, we'd have more than that. It's hard enough that Pitino didn't win them back to back with the remnants of the '96 team that went on to win with Tubby in '98.

Would I like to see Calipari compliment his one and dones with some multi-year players? Sure. But our fanbase expects to win one every year apparently, so I don't know any coach you bring in that won't have down years and then they'd just want his head on a spike.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:32 am to
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Look at the successful teams like Villanova and Virginia


I pointed this out on the Rant, regarding Villanova. This is Jay Wright's record in the last 6 years:

2013–14 Villanova 29–5 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2014–15 Villanova 33–3 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16 Villanova 35–5 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Champion
2016–17 Villanova 32–4 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2017–18 Villanova 36–4 14–4 2nd NCAA Division I Champion
2018–19 Villanova 26–10 13–5 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2019–20 Villanova 24–7 13–5 T-1st NCAA Division I Canceled

While he has two NCs, in every other year they've been bounced in the 2nd round.

If Kentucky fans can't handle early season losses like we've seen under Cal they'd be at Jay Wright's house with pitch forks in any other year that wasn't a championship year.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 10:33 am
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:36 am to
Cal hasn't made the Final Four since Villanova has won 2 titles though.

Who really cares if you lose in the 2nd rd or the 3rd?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:39 am to
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Cal hasn't made the Final Four since Villanova has won 2 titles though.


Pretty sure my point just went right over your head.

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Who really cares if you lose in the 2nd rd or the 3rd?


Have you actually been around Kentucky fans for any length of time? They were ready to burn Lexington to the ground the NIT year after the '12 NC.
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:42 am to
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Oh, and overall yes, we should have at least 5 titles in the last 11 years, and we have one


It’s because college basketball is the worst sport ever in crowning a champion based on the best/most talented team.

I enjoy casually watching college basketball, and I love March madness, but I don’t understand how hardcore college basketball fans of top tier teams do it.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:43 am to
I don't blame them now though, Cal continues to underperform and deserves the heat.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:48 am to
So, who would Kentucky realistically go get that could perform better than Cal has at Kentucky?

There's the 1 National Championship (2012) and 1 NC Runner-Up (2014).

There's Final Fours in 2011 and 2015.

Three Elite Eights (2010, 2017, 2019)

And only twice since 2010 has he done worse than a Sweet 16.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:49 am to
Name me 5 schools that would rather have the coach they have or Cal.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:54 am to
Yeah and that's the problem, all of that stuff is so long ago. Who cares about an elite 8? No one.

You just showed why he is getting heat in the first place, he hasn't done anything in 5 years. Would be the same heat at any blue blood school.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 10:55 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:02 am to
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He's a great recruiter, but a below average gameday coach.
This is such an overrated point. Games are won in practice. 95% of coaching is done in practice.

Coaching on game days is just window dressing.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:04 am to
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It’s because college basketball is the worst sport ever in crowning a champion based on the best/most talented team.


This. As much fun as the tournament is, it is a terrible way to find best team.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:10 am to
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You just showed why he is getting heat in the first place, he hasn't done anything in 5 years. Would be the same heat at any blue blood school.


So people are calling for Coach K to be fired as they’ve had a similar record in the last five years?

ETA: You also completely glossed over my question. Who do you go get who will win 2 or more NCs and not have a down year by these standards?
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 11:11 am
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:12 am to
Exactly.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:20 am to
Not really a UK fan but I worked there during the early 2000s so I followed them for a while and honestly I have to say that Cal is one of the best strategic offensive coaches I have ever seen as far as tailoring his offenses to his personnel. His flexibility from year to year, going from a low post offense with Boogie and having Wall and Bledsoe push the ball in transition to a half court, 3 point shooting offense the next year pulling the center out to run handoffs thru and set perimeter screen after screen...it was impressive. He did the same type of thing when Randle was their, modifying the offense late in the season.

But as an actual gameday coach he panics. It happened late in the Champ game against Memphis and against WVU in the Elite 8 his first year at UK he did nothing to stop a scrappy PG that was driving right down the gut over and over.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 11:23 am
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:22 am to
I haven't seen anyone call for his firing.

Lighting a fire under his arse is totally acceptable though.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:26 am to
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I haven't seen anyone call for his firing.

Lighting a fire under his arse is totally acceptable though.


The constant roster turnover is sucking the life out of UK fans.

Even with ridiculous recruiting classes it's really hard to win a title, see the Wall/Boogie team and the KAT team that was undefeated until the Final Four.

And his classes haven't been as good since the KAT team. I've heard people attribute that to World Wide Wes not being on the job but I don't know if that's true.

Posted by Statsattack
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:30 am to
5 schools who rather have their coach than cal

1. texas tech
2. uva
3. villinova
4. providence
5.oregon

think kansas, gonzaga , duke, michigan state are happy. Texas A& M better be happy
Posted by xenythx
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:36 am to
He bought way too much into the one-and-done model and encouraging the top recruits to come play for his basketball factory for one year and then go to the draft.

His best teams are usually ones that have at least some quality juniors/seniors that have been with the program for multiple years that provide leadership. His best Memphis team had guys like CDR and Joey Dorsey. He doesn't win his one championship without Darius Miller.

His most recent teams are nothing but Freshmen and Sophomores with a few transfers sprinkled in. And guys who aren't immediate "stars", he recruits over and encourages them to transfer instead of developing them.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 11:38 am
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