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re: Chicago Cubs Super Prospect Futureboner Sploosh Emporium Thread | Maddon Thread
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:46 pm to Louie T
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:46 pm to Louie T
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That's fine; we're only on Y2 of his contract. It may very well pan out.
So the assumption to this point is it hasn't?
Is that only because of last year? 6m a year for castro seems below market value to me, which is what you said these contracts were trying to do.
Because it wasn't a secret that the cubs tried to tinker with his approach and swing to generate more power. So last year kind of falls on them a bit too.
Couple that with the 'reward' for what you've done previously that I think is put into contracts (which is largely debatable for sure) and i still think what you have right now is exactly what the cubs expected, team friendly contract for a good, not spectacular, player.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 2:50 pm
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:47 pm to Louie T
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Sure thing. The ol' "trust me, I watch the team" routine.
Didn't say anything like this any where but cool.
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That's fine; we're only on Y2 of his contract. It may very well pan out.
Ok, that's all I have said and will continue to say.
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He came nowhere near close to $5M production in the 1st year of the contract.
I agree and never said anything to indicate otherwise.
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He had to take a big step forward to justify his second year $5M salary.
I agree. And he did exactly that and I never said anything to indicate otherwise.
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He's going to have to take a number of significant steps to make the double-digit back years of his contract what they hoped for when they signed him
I have said this multiple times. Since the deal is back loaded, he has PLENTY of time to take those steps. Nothing he has done this year would lead one to believe that he cannot take those steps.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:48 pm to piggidyphish
quote:It is. Way under market. Someone posted earlier he's playing like a $10MM/year SS.
Is that only because of last year? 6m a year for castro seems below market value to me, which is what you said these contracts were trying to do.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:50 pm to The Sad Banana
Damn...on the Baseball Prospectus list, Albert Almora is #37. That, indeed, is 5 Top 50 prospects not counting the possibilities of Soler and Schwarber creeping into it.
3. Kris Bryant
5. Javier Baez
6. Addison Russell
18. Arismendy Alcantara
37. Albert Almora
Unbelievable.
3. Kris Bryant
5. Javier Baez
6. Addison Russell
18. Arismendy Alcantara
37. Albert Almora
Unbelievable.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:50 pm to Lester Earl
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So do just blindly love every Cubs player? Is there someone you don't like?
Don't care too much for Ryan Sweeney, James Russell or Chris Coghlan. I haven't liked Justin Ruggiano to this point. That's 20% of the big league roster. Oh yeah, I've never said anything about Edwin Jackson other than that he sucks and I hate his contract.
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so I think i may know my answer already
Yeah you really nailed it Lester. You're brilliant.
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you've defended Soriano and Junior Lake
I'm not going to bother on Soriano with you, because you are clearly very ignorant on that topic.
Junior Lake has fantastic tools. You deny that he does? Because I have never said a thing on this website other than he should be playing everyday in 2014 while the Cubs aren't competing so the Cubs can figure out what they have in him since his tools are off the charts.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:52 pm to The Sad Banana
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Unbelievable.
it really is. Hopefully Solar can stay healthy because he'll be right back on that list if he can. Right now , and i don't blame anyone for doing it, you gotta be gunshy about that kid.
Wish i wasn't so damn tired from seeing the cubs/nats this weekend to go down to see the smokies take on the barons tonight.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:54 pm to piggidyphish
quote:I haven't said anything about him not living up to anything. I jumped in to bring #s to the "Castro plays very good defense crowd" that was littering the thread earlier, and I stayed around for the next topic.
So the assumption to this point is it hasn't?
quote:And I guess that's the only point where you and I disagree. I believe someone will have to significantly outpace their money to consider it team-friendly. Producing at value is perfectly OK but not what I'd consider team-friendly.
i still think what you have right now is exactly what the cubs expected, team friendly contract for a good, not spectacular, player.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:55 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:You said exactly that.
Didn't say anything like this any where but cool.
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You and LE might be obsessed with all the fancy Sabermetrics for defense, but if you actually watch him play, his game has gotten significantly better. His defense has improved. He is not a gold glover, but that doesn't mean he is having by far his worst defensive year.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:56 pm to piggidyphish
quote:I'm desperately hoping his hamstring troubles have been figured out. It would be really, really positive for him to just stay healthy throughout the year and finish out at AA no matter what his stat line looks like.
it really is. Hopefully Solar can stay healthy because he'll be right back on that list if he can. Right now , and i don't blame anyone for doing it, you gotta be gunshy about that kid.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:57 pm to Louie T
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You said exactly that.
So me saying "if you watch him play, you can see his defense has gotten better" is the "ole trust me I watch them".
Ok cool. You can have that one big guy. His fielding percentage has risen and his errors have decreased every year since his rookie campaign, but yeah he's MUCH worse defensively. He also is much more aware in the field. That's all I was getting at by the watching him play comment champ.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:01 pm to Louie T
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I believe someone will have to significantly outpace their money to consider it team-friendly
significantly? yea...i see how we see this different. to each their own. carry on.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:04 pm to The Sad Banana
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I'm desperately hoping his hamstring troubles have been figured out. It would be really, really positive for him to just stay healthy throughout the year and finish out at AA no matter what his stat line looks like.
No kidding. I really wonder what the whole working with soler's posture thing entailed. Not that it matters but it's the kind of attention to detail/advanced considerations i like about this organization now.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:04 pm to PurpleAndGold86
I'm really not sure how else I'm supposed to take it. I've said multiple times I don't have time to watch the Cubs play much but he was having his worst season by far statistically. Then you pull something akin to "it's patently obvious to anyone who has eyes that he's ok and not all that bad" and proceed to say
quote:as if it can be quantified. I'm a big believer in compiling as many stats as possible to try to paint as objective & complete picture as possible, because the vast majority on here have no fricking idea what they're talking about.
I don't think there is anyone in the Cubs organization that will tell you that he is having his worst defensive season by far.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:11 pm to piggidyphish
What's incredible about Soler's "season" is that he's mashed in most of the games his been in. It's been such a choppy two game, one game, three game ordeal and he's just hit. Weird.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:12 pm to Louie T
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I'm a big believer in compiling as many stats as possible to try to paint as objective & complete picture as possible,
yea but that doesn't factor in TWTW
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because the vast majority on here have no fricking idea what they're talking about.
I'm a fan of advanced statistics (certainly more so than the above statement), but I don't think they're flawless. I really liked votto's take on babip in that regard.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:14 pm to piggidyphish
Idk what TWTW is
quote:Agreed. There are people that can do a better job than advanced metrics in spots, but TD isn't where I'd go for that info.
I'm a fan of advanced statistics (certainly more so than the above statement), but I don't think they're flawless. I really liked votto's take on babip in that regard.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:15 pm to Louie T
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I've said multiple times I don't have time to watch the Cubs play much
That's fine. I couldn't possibly care less how many of their games you watch.
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Then you pull something akin to "it's patently obvious to anyone who has eyes that he's ok and not all that bad
No, you just quoted it. What I said was that if you watch his game, you would see his defense has gotten significantly better. His defense was unacceptable last year. His defense has shown significant improvement over that. It isn't hard to see.
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the vast majority on here have no fricking idea what they're talking about.
No kidding. 99% have NO clue, especially when it comes to knowing actual baseball talent. I choose to watch baseball games and I don't sit there and obsess over Sabermetrics. I'm not knocking you. Like I said, I couldn't possibly care less what numbers you use and how much baseball you watch. Sad Nanner and piggidy are 2 of the guys I drop in that 1%
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:16 pm to Louie T
The will to win.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:28 pm to The Sad Banana
A very good read on why the Cubs are outpacing and outclassing the Astros in rebuilding, even with the perception that Theo and Jed had to completely remake the organization while Luhnow had most of the heavy lifting done by the previous regime in Houston.
One more note: George Springer of the Astros is a FULL 6 MONTHS OLDER THAN STARLIN CASTRO. That's fricking incrediballs.
One more note: George Springer of the Astros is a FULL 6 MONTHS OLDER THAN STARLIN CASTRO. That's fricking incrediballs.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:29 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:And others as well as statistics don't present that same picture, so I'm not sure where that leaves us.
No, you just quoted it. What I said was that if you watch his game, you would see his defense has gotten significantly better. His defense was unacceptable last year. His defense has shown significant improvement over that. It isn't hard to see.
quote:The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive. And in the absence of knowing you personally or a observing a long track record of baseball scouting success, I'll put less credence into someone with a blatant disregard for statistics/advanced statistics than into the numbers themselves. No offense, I'm not knocking you.
I choose to watch baseball games and I don't sit there and obsess over Sabermetrics. I'm not knocking you.
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