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re: Calipari not getting it done for a championship

Posted on 4/2/11 at 10:41 pm to
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 10:41 pm to
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Seems like they always make fundamental mistakes when Cal is their coach. You don't notice a trend?

You're right. He's responsible for all of their mistakes. Every one.

This is coming from the guy who didn't even watch the game, right?
Posted by emmanuellewis
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 10:43 pm to
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Liggins is an idiot. There was no play. It was give the ball to Knight and let him go. That's their whole gameplan and philosophy all season. Knight gave it to Liggins and he took an awful shot. Calipari didn't "run a play for a 28 footer."


I didn't have a problem with the shot. I think there were about 6-7 seconds left when he put it up. I'm not sure that they would have gotten a better look at that point.

As for Calipari, I think he has had a bit of bad luck as far as winning a title. They had it against Kansas but everything that could've gone wrong down the stretch did go wrong.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 10:44 pm to
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I didn't have a problem with the shot. I think there were about 6-7 seconds left when he put it up. I'm not sure that they would have gotten a better look at that point.

It wouldn't have been a dumb shot if they were down 3.

They were down 2. Penetrate. If they don't stop you, get a layup. If they do, you'll probably get an inside out three.
Posted by emmanuellewis
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 10:47 pm to
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It's not always the coaches fault.

You believe he drew up a play for Liggins to take that shot? If you do, you're just being naive.

Players make mistakes sometimes too


Totally agree with all of this. Even though I don't think the shot was that bad, there is no way that was what UK was going for. UCONN took Knight away and he gave the ball up.

I think way too many people here classify people as a great coach or someone who just rolls the ball out there, like there is no in between. UK progressed a ton over the course of the season. They didn't hit shots or free throws tonight and that is why they lost. The only really poor coaching move tonight was the foul in the last minute and that didn't matter at all in the outcome.
Posted by emmanuellewis
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 10:50 pm to
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It wouldn't have been a dumb shot if they were down 3.

They were down 2. Penetrate. If they don't stop you, get a layup. If they do, you'll probably get an inside out three.


I agree that this is probably the better option. But Liggins isn't great at penetrating and getting his own shot. And if they clog the lane and he cant find anyone right off the bat, you have to force something up to beat the clock. He had an open look and that is all I'd ask for.

In hindsight, Liggins probably isn't the guy you want with the ball at that point. I'm guessing Lamb got taken away.
Posted by rdw1690
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 10:54 pm to
He choked again.
Nah he's a good coach who can recruit great talent. 3 final fours is very impressive even if the first two were vacated.
Posted by jacks40
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 11:06 pm to
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You're right. He's responsible for all of their mistakes. Every one.



As stupid as it would be to hold him responsible for all of the mistakes, it would be equally stupid to absolve him from them all also right?
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 11:28 pm to
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As stupid as it would be to hold him responsible for all of the mistakes, it would be equally stupid to absolve him from them all also right?



I mean the guy can only tell his players what the plan of attack is in that situation, most likely give Knight the ball and let him find something.

Liggins probably just let the hero moment get the best of him, and took the sketchy 3.

The 3-4 minute run where absolutely nothing fell isnt on the coach, and that was huge in Kentucky losing the game.



This post was edited on 4/2/11 at 11:29 pm
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 11:28 pm to
Yes. But if you think he called for that exact play to end the game, then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by paperstreet
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Posted on 4/2/11 at 11:42 pm to
There's no doubt that Calipari can recruit. How he does it is a different story. But if he could get a couple guys to stay, for more than one year, Kentucky would absolutely be one of the best teams in the country every single year.

And I know he almost got there this year. But, until Kentucky is no longer just a one and done haven for top basketball players, Kentucky will not win another championship.
Posted by emmanuellewis
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:08 am to
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But, until Kentucky is no longer just a one and done haven for top basketball players, Kentucky will not win another championship.


I don't agree with this statement at all. So much has to go right to win a title. Calipari has had UK in position the two years he has been there. They shoot a little better tonight and they are the favorite over Butler on Monday. And this team is less talented than last year's team and will probably be less talented than next year's team.

All you can ask is to be in that group of 8-10 teams that has a shot to win a title. Then, you need some breaks. UK played out of their mind against Ohio State and still needed a miss at the buzzer to advance.

As a side point, I think last year was a slight aberration for the one and dones at UK. Jones and probably Knight leave this year but I'm guessing Lamb stays at least one more year. Eventually some of the role players will be the guys who stay an extra year or two. If I were Calipari, recruiting too much talent would be the least of my concerns.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:10 am to
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And I know he almost got there this year. But, until Kentucky is no longer just a one and done haven for top basketball players, Kentucky will not win another championship.


Kentucky played brutally awful tonight and was tired as shite the last 12 minutes of the game and still came within a possession of winning the game.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:15 am to
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The fact that all he ever gets is 1 and done probably plays a huge part. If his guys would stay for a second year he might actually win a championship


Paul Hewitt?
Posted by jacks40
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:38 am to
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BayouBengals03
Calipari not getting it done for a championship
Yes. But if you think he called for that exact play to end the game, then I don't know what to tell you.




And if you think Cal doesn't have some defiencies as a coach then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:47 am to
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And if you think Cal doesn't have some defiencies as a coach then I don't know what to tell you.

Calipari is a below average coach. I'm the farthest from a Cal supporter. But people have to be realistic about things.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 1:05 am to
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This is coming from the guy who didn't even watch the game, right?
Not sure. I watched a game tonight, but from the looks of it, it could have been any big game Calipari has ever coached.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 2:31 am to
yeah and he wanted memphis to foul kansas but that didnt happen either. sucks to suck cal
Posted by Froman
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 3:55 am to
I've always thought Calipari was kind of a shitty coach. His teams play as if they are just making everything up on the spot and have no gameplan whatsoever. If they fall behind, they jack up a bunch of threes. I want to know how many plays tonight used up more than 15 seconds of shot clock.
Posted by Bho
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 8:44 am to
If anyone took the time to listen to the post game, they would have heard Deandre say that the play was for Knight, but UCONN switched the screen so well that Brandon had to give it up. He said he should have driven the ball, but didn't know if he would get as good a look and let it fly. He thought it was good when it left his hand but he missed. Those things happen. If anyone watched Cal coach this group in the tourney they would have seen how good UK was out of timeouts. Cal took a group that had 8 losses in a bad SEC and went to the Final Four. All with his best player not playing a single minute the entire year.
Posted by lsufan112001
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Posted on 4/3/11 at 8:57 am to
You gotta question Cal., once again.

going back to the Memphis/Kansas final. You're up by 3 with several seconds left, K has the ball, why the hell not foul them? Instead the K player drills the open 3 with a second or two left to tie it. Of course M loses in OT....

Cal dropped the ball in that game.
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