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re: Boxing is Dead
Posted on 1/27/11 at 12:41 pm to TTownTiger
Posted on 1/27/11 at 12:41 pm to TTownTiger
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IMO, the biggest problem with boxing and the reason it's often portrayed as "dying" in this country is because, over the last 30 years, the national media has all but ignored foreign born fighters (obviously each decade has had it's exceptions: Roberto duran, Julio ceasar chavez, manny pac, and a few others have made it mainstream in this country).
I wouldn't says the media is doing this.. There has been such a huge influx of foreign born fighters (most P4P rankings have foreign born fighters in 4 of there top 5). There is really not to many American fighters right now for Americans to cheer for, and that's a huge problem for boxing because it's hard to promote that kind of fight in this country. If there a Tyson or Hoylfield in the HW division we wouldn't be even talking about it.
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Posted on 1/27/11 at 12:43 pm to TTownTiger
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The top fighters in every division are foreign born.
Money May wasn't born in the US?
Posted on 1/27/11 at 12:49 pm to Dew Tour Hopeful
I'd say the best thing to help right now is to have fights on network tv or basic cable again and cut things down to one federation.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 12:52 pm to itawambadog
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I'd say the best thing to help right now is to have fights on network tv or basic cable again and cut things down to one federation.
We can all wish
Posted on 1/27/11 at 1:06 pm to SpqrTiger
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That's boxing's problem in a nutshell.
You hit the nail on the head. Growing up I would watch "Wide World of Sports" and they had boxing all the time. Even after big fights on PPV (or closed circuit back then)...they would show the replay the next week on free TV...kinda like HBO does now.
Friday Night Fights on ESPN was strong until about 7 years ago when they stopped paying for up and coming talent. They had great fights on ESPN or Tuesday Night Fights. And it would give you a chance to learn fighters like Diego Corrales and JC Candelo, Julian Letterlough, and guys like Jimmy Thunder, Monte Barret, and Maurice Harris.
Now...I don't have HBO so I hardly ever get to watch boxing.
And with time catching up to RJJ, De La Hoya, Hopkins, Mosley, etc...boxing has not done a good job of marketing up and comers.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 1:19 pm to Dew Tour Hopeful
Man...it really is dead.
I just went to Fightnews.com and they have a list of champions...and then they rank there top 16 fighters in each division.
I don't know 95% of these guys and 4% of the guys I have heard of have not been significant in years (ie-Jermaine Taylor).
See for yourself: Fightnews.com Rankings
I just went to Fightnews.com and they have a list of champions...and then they rank there top 16 fighters in each division.
I don't know 95% of these guys and 4% of the guys I have heard of have not been significant in years (ie-Jermaine Taylor).
See for yourself: Fightnews.com Rankings
Posted on 1/27/11 at 1:40 pm to lsu480
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Money May wasn't born in the US?
For a second I forgot I was on the msb. Forgot every single word in every single sentence I wrote would be dissected down to it's literal meaning.
Let's take a look at Floyds division:
Floyd
Manny Pac (Filipino)
Andre Berto (Haiti)
Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico)
Shane Mosley
Joshua Clottey (Ghana)
Top fighters (plural) in a division are foreign born.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 1:50 pm to Mattdaddy311
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I wouldn't says the media is doing this.. There has been such a huge influx of foreign born fighters (most P4P rankings have foreign born fighters in 4 of there top 5). There is really not to many American fighters right now for Americans to cheer for, and that's a huge problem for boxing
Did you read my post? You're repeating me. I don't see your argument here.
I disagree with you that foreign born fighters are too hard to promote though. Mma will have a ppv in a few weeks with two Brazilian fighters headlining, one doesn't speak hardly any English. It will sell 600,000 - plus PPVs easily.
American fans will watch foreign born fighters compete in combat sports if they are promoted and marketed correctly. Boxing doesn't do it nearly enough. A lot of this has to do with premium networks (hbo/showtime) - I agree with all of the arguments claiming big fights on these networks and not on free tv has severely hurt the sport in the last 20 years.
This post was edited on 1/27/11 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/27/11 at 1:55 pm to TTownTiger
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Did you read my post? You're repeating me.
You said
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IMO, the biggest problem with boxing and the reason it's often portrayed as "dying" in this country is because, over the last 30 years, the national media has all but ignored foreign born fighters
and I said
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I wouldn't says the media is doing this..
So how exactly am I repeating you?
Posted on 1/27/11 at 1:58 pm to TTownTiger
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I think Manny would be willing to though (I was pissed to find out he is fighting mosley next because it's pretty much a lose-lose situation for manny and boxing).
they're scheduled to fight on may 7th.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 1:58 pm to TTownTiger
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I disagree with you that foreign born fighters are too hard to promote though. Mma will have a ppv in a few weeks with two Brazilian fighters headlining, one doesn't speak hardly any English. It will sell 600,000 - plus PPVs easily.
Do you know you are comparing 2 different sports and 2 different ways of promoting?
This post was edited on 1/27/11 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 1/27/11 at 2:08 pm to Dew Tour Hopeful
youre dead
Posted on 1/27/11 at 2:21 pm to Mattdaddy311
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Do you know you are comparing 2 different sports and 2 different ways of promoting?
Am I in the twighlight zone or is reading comprehension really that bad? My entire point is that the national media doesn't promote foreign boxers effectively. In a time when foreign fighters dominate the sport, it is hurting the sport tremendously.
National media does promote foreign fighters of another sport because of the great global marketing campaign of MMA (ufc being the prime player) and the American public has responded and supports it.
Had boxing taken a more global effort of promoting over the decades instead of just promoting the next great American fighter (like mma does), I believe boxing wouldn't be struggling as much now. I comparing marketing strategies of two different combat sports. One's good. One's bad.
I don't mind if you don't agree with me. That makes for fun debate. I just don't see what you don't understand in my point.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 2:31 pm to TTownTiger
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Am I in the twighlight zone or is reading comprehension really that bad? My entire point is that the national media doesn't promote foreign boxers effectively. In a time when foreign fighters dominate the sport, it is hurting the sport tremendously.
and I am saying that the media isn't the problem with promoting fighters. Just look at whats happening between Golden Boy and Top Rank. Because these 2 hate each other and really don't do business together we don't see the boxers for these companies fight each other.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 2:40 pm to Mattdaddy311
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and I am saying that the media isn't the problem with promoting fighters. Just look at whats happening between Golden Boy and Top Rank. Because these 2 hate each other and really don't do business together we don't see the boxers for these companies fight each other.
Agree 100%. Politics in boxing are horrible and promoters refusing to work with each other is a major (MAJOR) issue!!! No argument from me.
But would espn, fox sports, or any other major media outlet cover the fight even if it did occur (assuming Floyd and manny aren't participating in the fight)? Cause it hasn't the past decade other than a few mainstream stars.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 2:52 pm to TTownTiger
If you look at the UFC and boxing you can see why the UFC is getting it right and boxing isn't.
1) The UFC has one promoter the UFC
2) No sanctioning bodies
This is why in the UFC you get top fighters fighting each other on usually great cards that people will buy.
Boxing has gotten lost behind these promoters and sactioning bodies, and they don't care about what is good for the sport. All they care about is money, and that is why these foreign fighters are not being promoted properly
1) The UFC has one promoter the UFC
2) No sanctioning bodies
This is why in the UFC you get top fighters fighting each other on usually great cards that people will buy.
Boxing has gotten lost behind these promoters and sactioning bodies, and they don't care about what is good for the sport. All they care about is money, and that is why these foreign fighters are not being promoted properly
Posted on 1/27/11 at 3:18 pm to Mattdaddy311
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Boxing has gotten lost behind these promoters and sactioning bodies, and they don't care about what is good for the sport. All they care about is money, and that is why these foreign fighters are not being promoted properly
I agree with all of that. If we had to list the reasons why boxing is down right now, you and I would pretty much have the same things listed. We just disagree on the order of the list.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 3:25 pm to TTownTiger
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I agree with all of that. If we had to list the reasons why boxing is down right now, you and I would pretty much have the same things listed. We just disagree on the order of the list.
agreed
Posted on 1/27/11 at 4:39 pm to TTownTiger
Just posting now so I could come back to this thread later. I mostly agree w/ ttowntiger though.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 5:02 pm to Jamohn
And I made it......
Boxing has a ton of up and coming talent in most divisions outside of heavy weight.
Its exactly like t-town is saying, there really is no hype or media for anything but the big fights.
This Saturday has Devon Alexander and Tim Bradley fighting, and this fight is as good as it gets. It's a huge fight that I've been waiting for a while to see.
Most casual fans will never see it or hear of it because outside of HBO, there isn't any promotion.
Boxing has a ton of up and coming talent in most divisions outside of heavy weight.
Its exactly like t-town is saying, there really is no hype or media for anything but the big fights.
This Saturday has Devon Alexander and Tim Bradley fighting, and this fight is as good as it gets. It's a huge fight that I've been waiting for a while to see.
Most casual fans will never see it or hear of it because outside of HBO, there isn't any promotion.
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