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re: Bengals first round pick Shemar Stewart is working out with Texas A&M
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:11 pm to baldona
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:11 pm to baldona
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But the NFL can prevent someone from going back to the NCAA and then back to the NFL draft.
You’re wrong too
You can enter as many NFL drafts as you want
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:13 pm to moneyg
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Sure, the NFL can’t prevent someone from going back to the NCAA.
They absolutely do this, by requiring you to forfeit your amateur status to even enter your name. This isn’t debatable, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:23 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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They absolutely do this, by requiring you to forfeit your amateur status to even enter your name. This isn’t debatable, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills
And, how does amateur status constrain a player from playing in the NCAA.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:24 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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They have to declare for the draft, what part of that do you not understand?
I can tell you are starting to realize you are dead wrong.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:28 pm to moneyg
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I can tell you are starting to realize you are dead wrong
How confused you are is truly shocking
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:34 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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How confused you are is truly shocking
ok. We can keep going. Explain how amateur status constrains a player from playing in the NCAA.
Are college players even considered amateurs anymore? They are literally implementing revenue sharing right now.
The reason professionals athletes couldn't play in the NCAA historically is because THE NCAA decided it was against the rules. If the NCAA decides to allow professional athletes to play in the NCAA, I don't believe the NFL can do anything about it.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:38 pm to moneyg
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Are college players even considered amateurs anymore? They are literally implementing revenue sharing right now.
Well wouldn’t that kind of be the point of the lawsuit?
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The reason professionals athletes couldn't play in the NCAA historically is because THE NCAA decided it was against the rules.
But that is because of an NFL rule to enter the draft. I truly don’t understand what is so complicated to understand about that. Unlike the baseball draft, for example.
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If the NCAA decides to allow professional athletes to play in the NCAA, I don't believe the NFL can do anything about it.
This is irrelevant in the context of what we’re talking about
I really don’t even know what you are trying to say, sincerely
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:46 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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This is irrelevant in the context of what we’re talking about
I really don’t even know what you are trying to say, sincerely
This is where you pretend it was all a misunderstanding rather than admit you were wrong.
As I've said from the beginning, the NFL isn't capable of preventing Stewart from playing in the NCAA. Only the NCAA could theoretically do it...and I'm not sure it would win a lawsuit on the subject given recent other rulings that have prevented it from enforcing almost any eligibility rules.
You thought the NFL controlled the situation. Now you are crawfishing.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:50 pm to moneyg
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This is where you pretend it was all a misunderstanding
It’s not a misunderstanding, you just aren’t making sense
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rather than admit you were wrong.
Everything I’ve said is a fact
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As I've said from the beginning, the NFL isn't capable of preventing Stewart from playing in the NCAA.
That’s verifiably false
Now that may be perfectly kosher from a legal perspective, but that would be the basis of a potential lawsuit
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You thought the NFL controlled the situation.
Both parties do, and both would likely be named in the suit
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:55 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Both parties do, and both would likely be named in the suit
If the NCAA decided to allow Stewart to play, the NFL would theoretically be the one to bring the suit based on your understanding. I don't think it would win. I don't even think there's a rational argument to make that they could prevent it from happening. There would be anti-trust ramifications that I don't think the NFL would even want to touch.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:57 pm to moneyg
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I don't think it would win.
I don’t know if it would or not, but that has nothing to do with you understanding the fundamental situation
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There would be anti-trust ramifications that I don't think the NFL would even want to touch.
You mean the league that has an anti trust exemption
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:09 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I don’t know if it would or not, but that has nothing to do with you understanding the fundamental situation
What would the basis of the legal argument even be? That the player forfeited its amateur status?
Seriously, that's not rhetorical. What would the basis of its lawsuit be? quote:
You mean the league that has an anti trust exemption
If you don't think there would be anti-trust issues in play with the NFL attempting to control the rules of player eligibility in a competing league, I don't know what to tell you. That would be collusion and monopolistic.
In short, the NFL can't do anything. It can't prevent Stewart from playing in the NCAA. It couldn't prevent Jim Kelly or Herschel Walker from playing in the USFL.
Stewart is doing what he's doing to try and force the Bengals hand. He doesn't actually want back into the NCAA, IMO. But, if he pushed the situation it would get very interesting. At this point, I don't know if the NCAA would fight it. If they did, I don't know if the would win. And, I'm pretty certain the NFL would have no legal argument and wouldn't even file suit.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:12 pm to moneyg
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It can't prevent Stewart from playing in the NCAA.
They’ve done exactly that
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Stewart is doing what he's doing to try and force the Bengals hand.
Well yes, but he may also be mulling a lawsuit to return and play college football after forfeiting his amateur status (a requirement by the nfl to enter your name into the draft)
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He doesn't actually want back into the NCAA, IMO.
In no way relevant to the conversation
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And, I'm pretty certain the NFL would have no legal argument and wouldn't even file suit.
But Stewart may file a suit against them
Which has been the point all along.
You’re really confused
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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They’ve done exactly that
No they haven't. The NCAA has done that.
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But Stewart may file a suit against them
Stewart is going to sue the NCAA. That's who controls the relief he would be searching for. What relief would he be asking for from the NFL? Your only answer so far is that Stewart agreed to forfeit his amateur status when he applied for the draft. Amateur status isn't a tangible thing owned by the NFL. It's a judgement call used in different ways by different organizations in different ways to set rules within their own organization (NFL, NCAA, Olympics, etc.)
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:25 pm to moneyg
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No they haven't. The NCAA has done that
Yes they have, other sports have an open draft.
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Stewart is going to sue the NCAA.
Probably
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What relief would he be asking for from the NFL?
Not having to forfeit your amateur status to be drafted, like other sports. As I’ve said like a dozen times to you already
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It's a judgement call used in different ways by different organizations in different ways to set rules within their own organization
That doesn’t mean it’s legal
That’s what he’ll argue anyway. I think it’s a bad argument for what it’s worth
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:21 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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What relief would he be asking for from the NFL?
Not having to forfeit your amateur status to be drafted, like other sports. As I’ve said like a dozen times to you already
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It's a judgement call used in different ways by different organizations in different ways to set rules within their own organization
That doesn’t mean it’s legal
That’s what he’ll argue anyway. I think it’s a bad argument for what it’s worth
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding.
The only reason players are ineligible within the NCAA when they declare for the NFL draft is because the NCAA has a rule that says that. The NFL has zero input, control, or say in the matter.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:29 pm to moneyg
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Stewart is going to sue the NCAA.
No it’s more likely the NFLPA will file a grievance against the Bengals and they’ll remove the clause from his contract that is holding it up. Stewart would get laughed out of court. “Yes your honor, I declared for the draft, hired an agent, likely git fronted cash by said agent, was drafted in the 1st round, was offered a boat load of money, but got in a contract dispute. I should be able to play college football again.”
And even if he sued, he won’t get an injunction and the lawsuit will become moot before it’s ever heard
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:33 pm to moneyg
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The only reason players are ineligible within the NCAA when they declare for the NFL draft is because the NCAA has a rule that says that. The NFL has zero input, control, or say in the matter.
Yes they do, they don’t have to require you forfeit your amateur status. Like other American sports leagues
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You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:33 pm to moneyg
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And I’m suggesting the NCAA might not be able to prevent it given the recent legal rulings by the courts.
There have been players who lost lawsuits against the NCAA recently over their eligibility. I know Tennessee did in baseball and basketball in the last several months. One tried to use the Diego Pavia loophole and lost
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:36 pm to lsufball19
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he won’t get an injunction
This is the real issue.
Look, I personally think it would be a retarded lawsuit, but we have decades of evidence of athletes doing retarded shite. And the rate these athletes are winning these suits, I could see someone being embolden to try.
But the basis of the suit is pretty clear, sue the NCAA for reinstated eligibility and sue the NFL for requiring you to forfeit your ability to ever play under the NCAA rules before ever being a part of the NFL. Again, I don’t think he’d win either, but the blueprint is pretty obvious
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