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re: Ben McLemore's AAU coach paid to sway him to NBA
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:09 pm to WildcatMike
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:09 pm to WildcatMike
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But...but...but Cal should had known Camby was getting cash from a sports agent.
What? McLemore never got paid. Kind of a big difference there. No transactions included anyone in the Kansas program according to the story.
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:11 pm to TDawg1313
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What?
McLemore never got paid.
and his eligibility may remain, but the basis is the same. agent interference OUTSIDE of the program with NO relation to the program
i don't blame bill self and i don't blame cal (and i didn't blame pete carrol for bushgate). they can only do so much
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:11 pm to Jwho77
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Can the UK fans spare us from any kind of BS defense of Calipari, please? College basketball is dirty, and Cal is the dirtiest of them all. It is what it is. And no one cares as long as their team wins and doesn't get caught, in that order.
So, Bill Self is just as clueless then? Did he not have an issue with a 2008 player who slid by in highschool?
I am glad you admit college basketball is dirty.
This post was edited on 5/5/13 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:15 pm to TDawg1313
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Cobb, 41, has known McLemore since the player was in the sixth grade, and he began coaching McLemore when the player was 15 years old. Cobb also said he has helped the family financially from time to time, paying bills and buying McLemore clothes and food.
Besides not getting a house....how is this any differnet that got USC in trouble with Reggie Bush?
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:17 pm to LSU GrandDad
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lots, if not the majority, of AAU coaches and "handlers" are on the take. this system is rotten to the core and has been for DECADES. these guys are de facto agents for the kid who is ignorant of the ways of the world and just wants out of poverty or semipoverty
Not true. Like in anything it's the few that give the majority a bad name. The "name" programs like DC Assault? Yes, dirty to the core. I was at a tournament last weekend and saw players playing for them that played 16U against my son four years ago still playing in the 16U category. Unfortunately the top players tend to gravitate to these programs because they are sponsored for tournaments that they could not afford if they were self-funded like a regular AAU program.
BTW, AAU is merely a placemark as a name now. The majority of teams do not play in AAU sponsored events. Our team plays in Showcase events.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:34 pm to WildcatMike
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I am glad you admit college basketball is dirty.
Are there really people out there that think it's clean?
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:36 pm to WildcatMike
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So, Bill Self is just as clueless then? Did he not have an issue with a 2008 player who slid by in highschool?
I am glad you admit college basketball is dirty.
I was just making a general comment about Calipari (since you brought him up). Nothing more...damn right it is insanely dirty. But please spare us bringing up Cal in any kind of defensive posture. He is the king of the dirty coaches. But that's the nature of the game today.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:39 pm to Jwho77
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He is the king of the dirty coaches.
the issue is the evidence of this
he's left 2 programs in trouble, but one had nothing to do with cal (the camby-agent situation). one involved a recruit qualifying prior to coming on campus (you can argue he set up the whole facade of the ACT for rose, but there is no evidence)
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:39 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
quote::kige:
God I hate snitches....
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:40 pm to Jwho77
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spare us bringing up Cal in any kind of defensive posture. He is the king of the dirty coaches. But that's the nature of the game today.
My point is, Self is just as dirty...Derrell Arthur ring a bell?
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:41 pm to WildcatMike
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Besides not getting a house....how is this any differnet that got USC in trouble with Reggie Bush?
Depends when his family received the benefits.
In the Camby situation, UMASS benefited from it.
In the McLemore situation, Kansas suffered from it.
Camby had knowledge of the payments.
McLemore likely didn't know what was going on behind the scenes to take advantage of him.
Using common sense, it's not hard to figure this all out.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:41 pm to Rouge
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Kentucky fan is so dense
Difference between player getting paid and coach for player's formeraau team getting paid
Gonna quote this for you again...
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The payments that Cobb said he received from Blackstock – and the trips to Los Angeles that Cobb says he and Boyd accepted – potentially could have jeopardized McLemore's amateur status because of NCAA rules that prohibit college players' family members, friends and coaches from accepting money or gifts from sports agents or those working on their behalf. The NCAA has historically handled similar situations on a case-by-case basis.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:43 pm to TDawg1313
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McLemore likely didn't know what was going on behind the scenes to take advantage of him.
Really?
If we're going to call coaches like Calipari on things that when on under his watch and assume he knew what was going on, you have to be kidding me with this comment.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:45 pm to TDawg1313
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Camby had knowledge of the payments. McLemore likely didn't know what was going on behind the scenes to take advantage of him.
So, the new clothes on the back was never questioned. Got it.
Come on man.
(I want to add, Kansas should not get in trouble)
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:45 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Really?
If we're going to call coaches like Calipari on things that when on under his watch and assume he knew what was going on, you have to be kidding me with this comment.
You think they would tell McLemore that they are scheming together to take advantage of him?
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:53 pm to TDawg1313
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You think they would tell McLemore that they are scheming together to take advantage of him?
McLemore gave tickets to Rodney Blackstock himself. His own cousin accompanied Cobb on trips to LA to meet with sports agents and financial advisors.
You honestly think he didn't know what was going on?
Posted on 5/5/13 at 1:56 pm to BluegrassBelle
If he did, I can't imagine him being too happy about it. He certainly wouldn't help push any of it on purpose. Like the article said, he had known him for a few years and he was his coach, so he probably just treated him as a friend and was already seeking out advice from him on things.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 2:03 pm to WildcatMike
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My point is, Self is just as dirty...Derrell Arthur ring a bell?
So it's a tie. Haha. But who cares? College hoops is semi-pro ball at the top level. Kentucky needed a coach like Cal to keep at the very top just like KU needs Self.
If I'm a Kentucky fan, I wouldn't even try to defend Calipari. No probation, no care. Just win.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 2:05 pm to TDawg1313
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Like the article said, he had known him for a few years and he was his coach, so he probably just treated him as a friend and was already seeking out advice from him on things.
He hadn't known Blackstock though.
This is probably what's going to make it hard for McLemore to deny knowing that something shady was going on, even if he may not have realized exactly what was going down:
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Cobb says he introduced McLemore's mom, Sonya Reid, to Blackstock at the Jan. 19 Kansas game at Texas because he also felt Blackstock could help the family with advice if McLemore opted for the NBA draft after the season. Cobb says Reid and Blackstock sat together during the game.
Very soon, Blackstock's influence grew, Cobb says.
Cobb says a cousin of McLemore's, Boyd, was included on two of the trips to Los Angeles because McLemore's mom wanted someone in the family present so no business deals were agreed upon without the family's knowledge.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 2:06 pm to Jwho77
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If I'm a Kentucky fan, I wouldn't even try to defend Calipari. No probation, no care. Just win.
So calling out the hypocrisy of punishing one coach for things that are going on everywhere is "defending" Cal?
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