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re: Baylor has fired Art Briles

Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:45 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:45 pm to
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Every school in the FBS brings in numerous guys eventually accused of rape?

that is not what the post he was replying to/quoted said
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:49 pm to
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Every school in the FBS brings in numerous guys eventually accused of rape?



Thats not what me reply pertained to.

But several SEC schools have brought in players with sexual assault or domestic violence in their background
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:49 pm to
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But several SEC schools have brought in players with sexual assault or domestic violence in their background



Posted by mattz1122
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:50 pm to
There isn't a problem if numerous recruits are bring accused rape? After two have been convicted of rape?

Who's out to get these guys???
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:50 pm to
Yep. Among others
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:50 pm to
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There isn't a problem if numerous recruits are bring accused rape? After two have been convicted of rape?

your post asked if rog or i cared if they had bad academics. nothing to do with rape
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:52 pm to
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There isn't a problem if numerous recruits are bring accused rape? After two have been convicted of rape?


Might want to reread the post I responded to
Posted by mattz1122
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:52 pm to
Thanks for ignoring the greater narrative.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:53 pm to
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Thanks for ignoring the greater narrative.



the greater narrative regarding academics or sexual assault?
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:59 pm to
I think when the report comes out briles will look far worse than he is being portrayed by his supporters
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:06 pm to
that is quite possible
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:07 pm to
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think when the report comes out briles will look far worse than he is being portrayed by his supporters



May be, but I havent seen anything damning yet. Just a lot of "I think"

He well may be guilty of a cover up. But i get the sneaking suspicions this was about recruiting violations and Baylor made Bryles the rape scapegoat to cover their arse
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:17 pm to
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but I havent seen anything damning yet.


He let his program get to this point. He is either clueless or compliant and neither is any good
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:23 pm to
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He let his program get to this point. He is either clueless or compliant and neither is any good




Hes done wonders and runs a winning program. Im not sure how much accountability HCs should have in these instances, I mean johnny manziel came to A&M with a known criminal record and had several offenses at the school. Winston at FSU was known for sexual abuse and theft yet his coach stood by him
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:26 pm to
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Im not sure how much accountability HCs should have in these instances,
he doesn't have accountability in single cases. He does when it's a culture problem, regardless if he knew it was happening or not
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I mean johnny manziel came to A&M with a known criminal record and had several offenses at the school
the known criminal record of shoplifting and the several offenses of being drunk in public and a speeding ticket?
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Winston at FSU was known for sexual abuse and theft yet his coach stood by him
and this is the exact thing Baylor was trying to replicate. They just couldn't keep all of their shite under the wraps
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:29 pm to
He signed off on the transfers no matter what he has said publicly

Supposedly the cover up is what tipped the scales against him
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:31 pm to
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he doesn't have accountability in single cases. He does when it's a culture problem, regardless if he knew it was happening or not
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What example is a cultural problem of rape? If you can prove multiple rape coverrups happening over years, with Bryles knowledge ill buy it.

Rape among student athletes is fairly common but is covered up very well, usually by boosters
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:33 pm to
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What example is a cultural problem of rape? If you can prove multiple rape coverrups happening over years, with Bryles knowledge ill buy it.
the fact that we are just now learning of rapes that supposedly happened years ago? That in the very report that cost art Briles his job, the victims say that Baylor administration pressured them to not come forward? The fact that he openly accepted transfers who had a past history of sexual assault, only to have them commit rape while at Baylor and not act on it until the media got a hold of it? Once again. Who cares if he knew. It was his program and, if he didn't know, he didn't have enough control to keep this from happening. That alone is a firing offense
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Rape among student athletes is fairly common but is covered up very well, usually by boosters
and it's up to him to have control over his program so this doesn't happen
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 9:35 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:39 pm to
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and it's up to him to have control over his program so this doesn't happen


Its not easy for one guy to have control over 85 20 year olds.

Covering up rape for a head coach is a high risk, low reward thing unless you're talking about a game changer, like Winston
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:40 pm to
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Its not easy for one guy to have control over 85 20 year olds.
and yet, you don't see shite like this happening often. Seems like most coaches can do it
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Covering up rape for a head coach is a high risk, low reward thing unless you're talking about a game changer, like Winston

and who cares. It was his program, it's up to him to have control over it
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