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Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:23 pm
Santana pitches 6 innings and gives up 1 run. Braves are winning 5-1 going into the bottom of the 8th.
Enter Luis Avilan. Gives up 5 runs and the lead.
Braves hit Grand Slam in 9th and Avilan all of a sudden is credited with a W on the stat sheet.
Can someone explain how this is logical?
Enter Luis Avilan. Gives up 5 runs and the lead.
Braves hit Grand Slam in 9th and Avilan all of a sudden is credited with a W on the stat sheet.
Can someone explain how this is logical?
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:25 pm to gotiger
Wins are only important for HoF voters and Arbitration judges.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:25 pm to gotiger
Who would they give the win to?
He was the pitcher of record when the game ended.
He was the pitcher of record when the game ended.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:26 pm to gotiger
As soon as Santana left and another pitcher came in to start an inning with no one on base, Santana cannot be given a loss. Had the game ended without the grand slam, Avilan would have been credited with the loss, not Santana.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:26 pm to gotiger
Prime example of why pitcher wins are basically a useless stat to evaluate individual pitchers.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:27 pm to sicboy
That's why they have a stat for blown saves. A reliever can blow a save and still get the win.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:27 pm to sicboy
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He was the pitcher of record when the braves took the lead
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:27 pm to Jcorye1
For the record, this is why basing Cy Youngs and HoF debates on "wins" is borderline retarded.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:27 pm to Jcorye1
I understand that, but Avilan under no circumstances deserves or should be given a W for that performance. A rules a rule, but just dumb and not logical in this case
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:28 pm to MasterBetty
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That's why they have a stat for blown saves. A reliever can blow a save and still get the win.
I don't think it would be a blown save. I could be wrong, but I don't think you can pitch yourself into a save situation.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:28 pm to gotiger
this literally happens just about everyday in some game
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:28 pm to Jcorye1
you can't.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:29 pm to gotiger
Pitchers get fluke wins and losses all the time.
A pitcher that gives up one unearned run can get the loss while another pitcher can give up 10 earned runs and get a win if the opposing pitcher gives up 11 runs.
A pitcher that gives up one unearned run can get the loss while another pitcher can give up 10 earned runs and get a win if the opposing pitcher gives up 11 runs.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:29 pm to Jcorye1
it's not a blown save, it was the 8th...this is just how baseball is and always has been...no big deal
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:29 pm to Jcorye1
I wasn't speaking about this specific situation, rather, that a pitcher can come into a game, blow a save, then get a W if his team walks off in the bottom half.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:29 pm to TH03
Thats what I thought, but I do remember All-Star Baseball 2004 (year might be off) would let you do this, and I racked up like 95 saves one year lol.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:30 pm to Jcorye1
He can still blow the save and get the win.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:30 pm to sicboy
true, but you cannot pitch yourself into a save situation.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:31 pm to sicboy
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He can still blow the save and get the win.
I know, I thought he meant for this game.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:32 pm to TH03
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true, but you cannot pitch yourself into a save situation.
Agreed, nobody implied such. I was just giving another example of how a bad performance can turn into a win.
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