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re: All you NIL worryers....
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:04 pm to moneyg
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:04 pm to moneyg
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I think NIL will be used to recruit kids from one program to another. As a fan, you will not be able to know who from last year will return next year. The Alabama’s of the world will attempt to poach all of the top performers.
Yup, pay to play is here right now.
There isn't anything the NCAA can really do about it, what happens next I can't say... but there is no easy out.
NIL is squat, nobody cares if freaking Brennan Miles eats a burger from cookout. Its about pay to play.
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:07 pm to tigerMike
I think LSU is well positioned for the NIL era 
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:07 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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the business model isn't going to work... eventually.
Some people will sit here and argue that it’s fundamentally different than pro sports because one is salaried and one is not; nevertheless, they’re earning income, they’ll pay taxes on said income, etc. This week with the NIL stuff and whatever will soon follow effectively killed college sports as we know it.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:09 pm to BrohanDavey
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Some people will sit here and argue that it’s fundamentally different than pro sports because one is salaried and one is not; nevertheless, they’re earning income, they’ll pay taxes on said income, etc. This week with the NIL stuff and whatever will soon follow effectively killed college sports as we know it.
Yup, it might take some time to unravel but the business model is toast. And that is ignoring the lawsuits that have only begun.
The NCAA, schools, and conferences have setup a huge business model based on players not under contract.
Once the players realize that they have more power than just opting out, meaning striking in the middle of a national tv broadcast game that CBS paid the SEC for. Well, things will get real interesting than.
The players should be forming their own association.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I think LSU is well positioned for the NIL era
At this point it is all about marketing and ability to showcase a brand. The marketing department at LSU better hire about 20 new staffers to keep up with the demand that will be coming from players to brand them.
Personally, I think it is a good thing because if we are all being honest with ourselves there are kids that were being taken advantage of or others that passed up financial opportunities under the guise of amateurism. There will be growing pains no doubt, but the NCAA model and purpose was outdated and their arbitrary and hypocritical stance on so many things was nauseating.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:14 pm to tigerMike
I am pro NIL. Having said that, it’s only a matter of time before there is an NIL related sex scandal.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:15 pm to TigerGrad2011
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At this point it is all about marketing and ability to showcase a brand. The marketing department at LSU better hire about 20 new staffers to keep up with the demand that will be coming from players to brand them. Personally, I think it is a good thing because if we are all being honest with ourselves there are kids that were being taken advantage of or others that passed up financial opportunities under the guise of amateurism. There will be growing pains no doubt, but the NCAA model and purpose was outdated and their arbitrary and hypocritical stance on so many things was nauseating.
99% of college athletes have no image to sell, this is really about pay to play. The big stars and figures have an image, the rest are just players.
Its about pay to play.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:17 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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It has nothing to do with crowds, the business model isn't going to work... eventually.
- no salary caps
- no ability to really stop transfers
- no contracts so players don't have to perform, and can all choose to stop playing as a group
- lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits
There is a reason why the pro sports have an anti-trust exemption... there really isn't a good business model to support it without the exemption.
No salary cap?? In NIL the players aren't paid by salary by the school. Their terms are determined between the player and the business.
No contract?? If the players stop playing they hurt their brand and will lose NIL opportunities. It does not benefit the player to be selfish and opt-out. Much less a group of players to sit out. This makes no sense.
I feel like a lot of people have not done research on NIL and are getting confused with Pay for Play. They are two completely different things. NIL will be fine.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:18 pm to tigerMike
Nothing to worry about.
When we would normally be discussing the upcoming season season,we are talking about the prospective fortune of a "few" individuals.
Changes are a coming.
When we would normally be discussing the upcoming season season,we are talking about the prospective fortune of a "few" individuals.
Changes are a coming.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:20 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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99% of college athletes have no image to sell, this is really about pay to play. The big stars and figures have an image, the rest are just players.
Its about pay to play.
I didn’t argue or throw out any absolutes, nor did I argue against or for that it could be about pay to play. My response was about marketing and branding and the hypocrisy of the NCAA. If you want to go down the pay to play rabbit hole, we can, but even that is pretty simplistic in nature.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:20 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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the end of the business model, things will eventually collapse. What happens after the collapse is hard to guess at this point.
The last 15-20 years has been an Arms race of updating facilities.
Now it’s full on Semi-Pro and the highest bidders will separate from the pack.
Since the start of the CFP, only 4 teams signed over 33% of 5 stars. It was killing parity….this will help parity for the P5 powerhouses lol.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:21 pm to Rtowntiger
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No salary cap?? In NIL the players aren't paid by salary by the school. Their terms are determined between the player and the business.
Exactly, there really isn't a salary cap. Right now, if a school did decide to pay a player... not much the NCAA could do about it. The cap was zero, meaning all the schools were paying by the same or similar rules. It was in essence a wage cap, see Supreme Court ruling.
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No contract?? If the players stop playing they hurt their brand and will lose NIL opportunities. It does not benefit the player to be selfish and opt-out. Much less a group of players to sit out. This makes no sense.
Sure it does, its the same way that unions go on strike. Strength thru numbers, individuals have already started opting out over the last few years. Once the group figures out they are stronger as a group... well, there goes a strike.
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I feel like a lot of people have not done research on NIL and are getting confused with Pay for Play. They are two completely different things. NIL will be fine.
Pay for play is already here, meaning I can pay a player to go to school X. A school in theory could setup a rule, but there is no real incentive to follow thru with that.
Its pay to play.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:22 pm to bstew3006
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The last 15-20 years has been an Arms race of updating facilities.
Now it’s full on Semi-Pro and the highest bidders will separate from the pack.
Since the start of the CFP, only 4 teams signed over 33% of 5 stars. It was killing parity….this will help parity for the P5 powerhouses lol.
If that were the case than why do NFL, NBA, MLB, etc have anti-trust exemptions... if it made things more fair?
The reason they need that is for caps i.e. standard rules to make it appear more fair.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:28 pm to tigerMike
I think people way overestimate the marketing value of college kids.
Once the hype dies down, there will be some elite outliers and some hot chicks making money, but 90 percent will barely see a penny.
This will lead to pressure for direct payments for “equity”
Once the hype dies down, there will be some elite outliers and some hot chicks making money, but 90 percent will barely see a penny.
This will lead to pressure for direct payments for “equity”
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:29 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Pay to Play is not here.
All these legislatures and NCAA have said boosers or companies can not offer money contingent on a player's attendance at your school. They also all state that it can not be based on performance...only their Name, Image, or Likeness. A person Cannot pay a player to go to school. He can make a deal after the player is at a school to promote his company or make an appearance.
All these legislatures and NCAA have said boosers or companies can not offer money contingent on a player's attendance at your school. They also all state that it can not be based on performance...only their Name, Image, or Likeness. A person Cannot pay a player to go to school. He can make a deal after the player is at a school to promote his company or make an appearance.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:29 pm to Rtowntiger
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No salary cap??
Yes.
Why do you think the NFL has a salary cap and a draft? It’s because if they didn’t the only professional teams worth a crap would be New York and LA teams. There is a salary cap to stop the richest franchise from simply buying all the best talent.
Now in college you will have the coach at USC telling every five star recruit in the country that if they come to USC they will have them lined up to have a role in the next Marvel movie.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:32 pm to Choupique19
That is just part of it. It is capitalism. Supreme Court (Kav) pretty much annihilated any shot of capping NIL compensation.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:32 pm to Rtowntiger
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Pay to Play is not here.
All these legislatures and NCAA have said boosers or companies can not offer money contingent on a player's attendance at your school. They also all state that it can not be based on performance...only their Name, Image, or Likeness. A person Cannot pay a player to go to school. He can make a deal after the player is at a school to promote his company or make an appearance.
The NCAA said they couldn't receive NIL payment either, they change the rule because it wasn't enforceable.
Please see DOJ letter to the NCAA back in January and the Supreme Court ruling. The USSC said the NCAA can't even restrict educational benefits.
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A person Cannot pay a player to go to school.
Who is going to stop me?
There is literally nothing the NCAA can do to stop pay to play, anymore than they could stop educational benefits or NIL... they're all the same.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:32 pm to ProjectP2294
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If you're going to start a thread aimed at the "haters" you should post some evidence of said hate.
GOOD POINT..... I'll help him. I don't like this at all, but I ain't a hater. There's a start for him.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I think people way overestimate the marketing value of college kids.
Walkons doesn’t care if Derek Stingley brings them more customers, they already have plenty. This is a simple, “Hey Derek, thanks for staying home and playing for LSU. Take this money as our way of saying thanks.”
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