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re: 4 positive tests for NC State in today’s dugout were from vaccinated individuals
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:46 pm to BRIllini07
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:46 pm to BRIllini07
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This is the problem with over sensitive PCR tests and testing asymptomatic people.
If you were exposed there will be viral multiplication (the virus still gets inside you), the idea is the vaccine stops the disease (I.e. symptoms) and spreading the virus to others because you kill it before you start shedding it in mass.
What is the cycle threshold for pcr tests currently?
Well into the summer of 2020 tests were still going to 40 even though CDC found that positives above 33 were non-replicating virus fragments and some were still only include result without including the cycle threshold to be able to go back and look afterwards (if only reason one doesn’t want vaccine is because they were positive with one test in past they should make sure they have anti-bodies).
It would be interesting to see what threshold was used with vaccinated players. If threshold was near 33 or higher they should get retested in 24 hours and make results public (assuming retest would be negative or higher cycle threshold outside of another exposure).
I didn’t get holding back asymptomatic prior confirmed positive football players for 14 days for contact with a positive starting the 91st day after their positive test or start of symptoms, and I don’t get testing fully vaccinated asymptomatic baseball players and not letting them play (outside I guess using lower threshold/higher viral load that has been shown to easily spread an actual replicating virus but i have not paid attention lately to pcr changes to know).
Just because a team has its players and coaches all vaccinated doesn’t mean they have not had contact with positives outside of team. How does the NCAA confirm they have not had as much contact or more with someone else outside the team as the contact the NC state vaccinated players had with positive teammates? Are they in some kind of bubble restricting access to players?
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Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:57 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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You've obviously not watched people prematurely die of Covid. Covid deaths are real and are usually sad.......
Aren't all deaths real and sad? Just because you slap covid on it doesn't make it more significant.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 5:29 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:From what I've read it is not like the flu vaccine (the expected virus culture inside eggs) but a new experimental vaccine that "teaches" your cells how to respond to the Kung Flu. I believe this new type of vaccine process has been in the works for years to minimize the number of jabs required throughout life. I got fully vaccinated back in March. I knew the risks and they were lower than the risks of Corona. (I did get sick the next day but was fine on Day 2.) However it is a choice for the individual.
Well don't vaccines actually give you a little bit of any virus...so your body can develop immunity?
The vaccine risks for the athletes are damn close to the risk of severe Corona symptoms. It is a personal choice and if they are asymptomatic then force them to wear masks and use their own set of balls (home plate umpire wears plastic gloves handling their balls) while telling both teams not to talk to each other on the bases/at the plate. All of that is better than what they did. This is virtue signaling and Tillis/Burr should be calling for hearings into the highly corrupt NCAA. This may be a blessing in disguise a you now have 3 (SEC/ACC/Big 12) of the Power 5 getting screwed by them. Maybe this and the playoff structure/TV contract renegotiations will form the perfect storm to end the NCAA as the controlling body for the teams that matter.
If you're someone who says "well they should have gotten vaccinated to avoid testing so this wouldn't happen", frick YOU. If this is truly about safety then refund the ticket money and only allow the players' family's +2 guests into the stadium. But of course we know the only thing the NCAA cares about is the money (hence that joke of a March Madness.)
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 7:28 pm to tiger25
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You've obviously not watched people prematurely die of Covid. Covid deaths are real and are usually sad.......
Aren't all deaths real and sad? Just because you slap covid on it doesn't make it more significant.
I've watched people who were active, contributing members of society and had no expectation they would soon die, die from Covid. Some died after a lengthy hospitalization in an ICU hooked up to tubes and machines without a loved one to comfort them. And no, not all deaths are sad. I've seen family who were relieved when their loved one w/ a terminal, untreatable illness died. All deaths are significant, but some deaths are more sad than others. Yes, all deaths are real, but some people seem to think that deaths from covid are mainly a creation of the media and governmental agencies or that "they would've died anyway of something else."
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:53 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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TigerOnThe Hill
Who the frick are you?
Posted on 6/29/21 at 10:13 pm to The Pirate King
I’m still seething about this as a fan of college baseball.
I’m pro-vax and take covid seriously, but the ncaa handled this cruelly and irrationally.
The solution as supported by the data would be to exclude only the positive, unvaccinated players. They’re the only ones who pose any risk of spread.
I’m pro-vax and take covid seriously, but the ncaa handled this cruelly and irrationally.
The solution as supported by the data would be to exclude only the positive, unvaccinated players. They’re the only ones who pose any risk of spread.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:14 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Well don't vaccines actually give you a little bit of any virus...so your body can develop immunity?
That's not how this vaccine works.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:41 pm to The Pirate King
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You don’t test positive for flu after getting the vaccine, do you? So it’s either a flaw with the vaccine or a flaw with the test.
My god you people are stupid. A vaccine primes your immune system by making antibodies to the virus particles in the vaccine. So if you do get the virus afterwards, it will fight it faster. That's it: you fight infection faster with pre-made antibodies, which normally would take up to two weeks. It doesn't prevent the virus from getting into your body, and consequently doesn't stop you from testing positive.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:45 am to The Pirate King
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