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re: Will Bitcoin be built under rather than on top of?

Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:07 pm to
Posted by joshnorris14
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:07 pm to
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So you should be free to hack, steal, share child-porn etc free from governments knowing what you are doing?



What does that have to do with net neutrality?

I don't support stealing (whereas you do if you support government) and I don't support child porn. That has zero to do with mesh networks at all.

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Rules and governance or here for a very solid reason.



If you like rules, you should love bitcoin considering it is a protocol, a set of rules.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:10 pm to
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If you had $1 worth of bitcoin to purchase a piece of gum with $1 and they accepted your bitcoin payment, how did you benefit?



It's a deflationary currency, so there is that.

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How would you benefit from a mesh network. What "can't" you do now that you need to be able to do?



Why don't you do a Google search on "Netflix net neutrality" and tell me what you think about mesh networks as a work around.

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Governments will be the ones who make it work



Kind of like the internet right? Tim Berners-Lee ain't got shite on Al Gore, right?
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:12 pm to
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If you like rules, you should love bitcoin considering it is a protocol, a set of rules.


If only it were that simple.

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What does that have to do with net neutrality?


The blocking of content and the ability to do it? Do you even know about net neutrality?
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:15 pm to
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Why don't you do a Google search on "Netflix net neutrality" and tell me what you think about mesh networks as a work around.


Don't get it twisted, I support the pros of the technology. I don't support the concept of a decentralized currency network nor a decentralized internet network.

I haven't seen or been given a logical reason for either.


This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:19 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45375 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:25 pm to
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If only it were that simple.



It is that simple, go over to GitHub and read the source code. It isn't like government rules where there are special rules that only apply to certain people and certain rules don't apply to certain people, it is universally applicable and standardized.

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The blocking of content and the ability to do it? Do you even know about net neutrality?



1. If content becomes blocked, hacking will increase. Net Neutrality does not increase hackers, it diminishes them.

2. If they try to block child pornography all that is going to happen is that the interested parties will develop new workarounds.

This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:44 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45375 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:25 pm to
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Don't get it twisted, I support the pros of the technology. I don't support the concept of a decentralized currency network nor a decentralized internet network.



You don't support a decentralized internet?

Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:26 pm to
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I don't support the concept of a decentralized currency network nor a decentralized internet network.


looks like you're going to be unhappy in the future
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:28 pm to
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Tim Berners-Lee ain't got shite on Al Gore, right?


speaking of Tim, he had some recent comments on this very topic:

Tim Berners-Lee: we need to re-decentralise the web
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:43 pm to
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It is that simple, go over to GitHub and read the source code. It isn't like government rules where there are special rules that only apply to certain people and certain rules don't apply to certain people, it is universally applicable and standardized.


You are dense. Bitcoin itself is just a currency. I have no problems with it.


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1. If content becomes blocked, hacking will increase. Net Neutrality does not increase hackers, it diminishes them.

2. If they try to block child pornography all that is going to happen is that the interested parties will develop knew workarounds.



Oh, workarounds......
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:46 pm
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:43 pm to
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looks like you're going to be unhappy in the future


More nothingness.

How so?

Why is it better for us?

Give me reasons as to how this will make YOUR life better.

Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45375 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:46 pm to
JayDeerTay84 in 1995:

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After two decades online, I’m perplexed. It’s not that I haven’t had a gas of a good time on the Internet. I’ve met great people and even caught a hacker or two. But today, I’m uneasy about this most trendy and oversold community. Visionaries see a future of telecommuting workers, interactive libraries and multimedia classrooms. They speak of electronic town meetings and virtual communities. Commerce and business will shift from offices and malls to networks and modems. And the freedom of digital networks will make government more democratic.Baloney.

Do our computer pundits lack all common sense? The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper, no CD-ROM can take the place of a competent teacher and no computer network will change the way government works.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:48 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45375 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:47 pm to
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You are dense. Bitcoin itself is just a currency. I have no problems with it.



Bitcoin is not just a currency. Bitcoin is a protocol that establishes a public ledger of ownership.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:50 pm to
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Bitcoin is a protocol that establishes a public ledger of ownership.


Ownership of what? Medium of exchange?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45375 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:54 pm to
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Ownership of what? Medium of exchange?



Many things
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:55 pm
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:56 pm to
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Many things


Oh really. So by owing a bitcoin, you own other things. Like what?
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:56 pm to
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Bitcoin itself is just a currency.




sigh


why do people opine on something they do not understand?

Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45375 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 6:00 pm to
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Oh really. So by owing a bitcoin, you own other things. Like what?



Ownership in a company, Securities, gold, property deeds, et cetra.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 6:05 pm to
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Ownership in a company, Securities, gold, property deeds, et cetra.


You invested Bitcoins into these. There for holding deeds, gold, securities, etc. AKA you traded them.

Please explain how you can both spend and keep the same bitcoin.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 6:06 pm to
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sigh


why do people opine on something they do not understand?


Why do you refuse to backup your claims and answer questions?

The bitcoin to which I refer is a currency. You talk about its worth all the time, how you use it to buy shite. How it is worth $X.

Please provide substance......
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 6:07 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45375 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 6:06 pm to
They are derivative layers of bitcoins. The bitcoins are proofs of ownership. Like I said, public ledger of ownership.
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