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Why are we so much more lenient on business debt than personal debt?

Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136810 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:36 pm
You are late on your cable or mortgage, and they are all over your arse.

Have a business bill for services? frick 'em. They will get paid whenever. On top of it, there if often little to no punishment.

The best part is that the biggest companies with the most money can tend to be the slowest payers.

I wish their was a better system for a corporate credit score.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7901 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 2:11 pm to
I don't pay personal bills late so I can't speak to that, but I have experienced threats from companies threatening to cut off services for my company for immaterial amounts unpaid.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37088 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 2:28 pm to
It's due to the level of services and the amounts involved.

You have personal phone service that costs $50 a month? You can go to the phone company or the cable company. If you are late on one, and they harrass you and piss you off and you leave for the other, whatever, they are out $50.

You have a business phone service that costs $500 a month, or $5,000 a month, they don't want to lose that customer.

Plus, it's also easier for a company to beat a individual customer into compliance. For a company, especially a large company, there really is no one to beat up.

Yes, if you go too long without paying, the provider will cut the company off. See it all the time.

But recently, can't remember if it was on MT or the O-T, there was a thread about someone who worked at a Fortune 10 company, who basically told AMEX they weren't going to pay any AMEX bills until they were 90 days late (at no interest), and AMEX went along with it. Probably because the swipe fees alone make it worth it.

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I wish their was a better system for a corporate credit score.
We tell our clients, all the time, the importance of checking references before selling anything on credit. But no one wants to turn down a sale so they don't bother, then they complain when it's 120 days to get paid.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35536 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 4:07 pm to
Because I'm waiting for money as well as a business owner. It might take me 60, 90, 120 or more days to get paid on a project sometimes. As long as we communicate with our vendors it usually isn't a problem. It's the guy at the end of the food chain that suffers.

Fortunately my biggest client has come a long ways in this respect. They now allow me to invoice when I get a PO and they run my invoice through their process just short of final approval for payment. Then when the project is complete we get paid fairly quickly.

Have you communicated with the companies that owe you money to try to work out a system that helps you?
Posted by cuyahoga tiger
NE Ohio via Tangipahoa
Member since Nov 2011
5835 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 4:22 pm to
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Have you communicated with the companies that owe you money to try to work out a system that helps you?


Very important. We sell truckloads of goods we manufacture, that average mid $30K. While we run D&B and get credit references. Standard industry practice to grant terms, as the customers, use our products to make another product that they sell, mostly on terms. Asking what terms and what credit limits will you need, then you can make pricing and credit decisions based on that info.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:14 pm to
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for immaterial amounts unpaid.


I think this is his whole point.
Posted by blackoutdore
Nashville
Member since Jun 2013
247 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 7:44 am to
If businesses can collect quicker (decrease in AR) and pay later (increase in AP), they up their level of cash on hand. That cash can then be put to work in any number of investments, allowing that business to collect extra returns or interest. For your or me, a $50 here or there ain't producing much. To a large business, these numbers start really mattering.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50342 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 3:48 pm to
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Why are we so much more lenient on business debt than personal debt?


"WE" aren't lenient, it's the agreement between the two parties.

You the consumer are .000000000000000000001% of their revenue

Exxon Mobil is probably 5-10% of a bunch of companies revenue.

Wonder which one gets better terms.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15604 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:54 pm to
Net 30 doesn’t mean shite anymore
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20444 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:37 am to
Businesses also do not all get paid regularly like a salaried employee. Your average residential person gets paid every 2 weeks. Take something like a farm as an example, and the farmer doesn’t get paid until the crops are harvested. Construction company may not be paid until their build is complete.

So if you want to do business with those type of companies that are not paid regularly and equally, you have to be flexible. That has now grown to a lot of sectors that don’t deserve the flexibility but that’s how it is.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35536 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:04 am to
The big construction companies (Hitt, Clark, etc) are the worst at paying. It takes forever to get money out of them. You're right, this is trickling down to smaller GC's and it's a pain in the arse for the truly small businesses. If I could spend as much time growing my business as I do collecting money I'd be a wealthy man.

I do spend a lot of time developing business and building relationships.
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