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Update on Employee Retention Credits

Posted on 7/26/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 2:15 pm
Just watched a replay of an AICPA town hall from last week. Thought y'all would find interesting.

The IRS has 3.1 million unprocessed form 941, and 196K unprocessed form 941-X.

Some of the 941-X can't be processed until related form 941 is processed.

Translation - it's going to be a while.

Also... they are starting to issue audit requests. The document requests for those are VERY detailed and ask for a ton of info.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 2:20 pm to
Can't wait for some of the people to he popped who used these third party contingent fee fraudsters. Going to be sick
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:11 pm to
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Can't wait for some of the people to he popped who used these third party contingent fee fraudsters. Going to be sick


100 percent chance these companies will be "out of business" by the time the audits get ramped up.

Gone to never be seen again.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:03 pm to
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Also... they are starting to issue audit requests.

I’m sure I’ll be getting my audit request soon. My 941X from 2020 is now on its 3rd 60-day extension. My 2 941Xs & 1 942 from 2021 all processed without a hiccup
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:14 pm to
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Also... they are starting to issue audit requests.

I’m sure I’ll be getting my audit request soon. My 941X from 2020 is now on its 3rd 60-day extension. My 2 941Xs & 1 942 from 2021 all processed without a hiccup


The 3Q seems to be an issue with them. We just received our refund from the 2021 3Q last week.
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:30 pm to
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100 percent chance these companies will be "out of business" by the time the audits get ramped up.

Gone to never be seen again.
Only CPAs can do this type of work

We have a local CPA firm being investigated by the IRS because they didnt know how to correctly calculate the credit. CPAs are so arrogant
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:33 pm to
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The document requests for those are VERY detailed and ask for a ton of info.

So dramatic

Its literally payroll registers for 2019-2021, gross revenues for the three years and all 941s and PPP loan info. VERY detailed indeed


ETA: Update. Got my plumber 34k and my dentist 38k.

thank God i called bc their CPAs didnt even try to see if they were eligible.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 6:35 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:38 pm to
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Only CPAs can do this type of work


Of course not.

But let's check back in a couple of years and see where the majority of fraudulent claims come from.

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e have a local CPA firm being investigated by the IRS because they didnt know how to correctly calculate the credit. CPAs are so arrogant




A real CPA firm or the same "CPA" firm that Jason Williams used?
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:43 pm to
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A real CPA firm or the same "CPA" firm that Jason Williams used?
Large CPA firm in baldwin county. Has close to double digit partners.

Not sure why youre on this hate trip for 3rd party filers. Company I refer business to is legit. A+ rating with the BBB. Processed thousands of businesses ERCs. CEO is a CPA, just like you. So who are you to judge?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:10 pm to
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Company I refer business to is legit. A+ rating with the BBB.


I don't think you understand, that's like having 5 star Google reviews that you paid for a bot to write.

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CEO is a CPA, just like you.


And? Lots of CPA's are bad, just like any other profession. What he's doing is likely bordering on unethical. Just because payday loans and check cashing is legal doesn't mean it's not scummy as frick.

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Got my plumber 34k and my dentist 38k.


Im sure you did, that doesn't mean they qualify. Maybe they do, I don't know, but the point is there's going to be thousands upon thousands of people like your dentist and plumber that are going to be popped on audit and the fraudsters that took their contingent fee are going to be gone with the wind.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:14 pm
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:17 pm to
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I don't think you understand, that's like having 5 star Google reviews that you paid for a bot to write.

Keep telling yourself that

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What he's doing is likely bordering on unethical.
only in your head. Whats unethical is you charging a client over 1k for a simple Scorp return that took you 3 hours to complete.

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Im sure you did, that doesn't mean they qualify.
Um, that is exactly what it means you dumbshit.

You are so bitter that anyone else is in the market for filing ERC that it eats you up inside. You have the gall to question someone's ethics because you cant charge contingency fees? stfu
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:27 pm to
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Keep telling yourself that



Towing companies have A+ ratings with the BBB, and as well all known, they are the poster child of values and ethics


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Whats unethical is you charging a client over 1k for a simple Scorp return that took you 3 hours to complete.


You think $300/hour is unethical? If you weren't a moron, you'd know there are built in costs in that along with costs that are billed for throughout the year and assurances on the back end.

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Um, that is exactly what it means you dumbshit.



If that were true what's the point of audits? They'd cease to exist.

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You are so bitter that anyone else is in the market for filing ERC that it eats you up inside.


I don't care other than it sucks small business owners who don't know any better are getting scammed.

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You have the gall to question someone's ethics because you cant charge contingency fees?


Whats stopping me other tha not being a scumbag?
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:45 pm to
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Towing companies have A+ ratings with the BBB, and as well all known, they are the poster child of values and ethics
wow, you are such a judgemental bitch. So now Towing companies are unethical.

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You think $300/hour is unethical? If you weren't a moron, you'd know there are built in costs in that along with costs that are billed for throughout the year and assurances on the back end.
yeah horseshite. You over bill your time and pad your time to make your billings. And yes, 300 an hour is unethical for CPAs to charge. You dont deserve that rate for being a bunch of glorified data input specialists. Name me one time you did a tax return without letting the computer program calculate everything for you. You cant. All you do is put numbers in a box and pretend that youre a professional

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If that were true what's the point of audits? They'd cease to exist.

That doesnt make any sense. Try again.

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I don't care other than it sucks small business owners who don't know any better are getting scammed.
My dentist loved his 38k scam. You are so fricking clueless

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Whats stopping me other tha not being a scumbag?
Being a narrow minded woman with zero business acuity and being completely detached from reality
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:56 pm to
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You over bill your time and pad your time to make your billings.


Actually, lately I've spent a good amount of free time trying to secure an engagement. That's how it works, I'm not getting paid yet, but I'm providing a potential new client value.

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And yes, 300 an hour is unethical for CPAs to charge. You dont deserve that rate for being a bunch of glorified data input specialists.


Well that's why paraprofessionals and preparers don't get paid $300/hour and that's why I bill more than that.

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Name me one time you did a tax return without letting the computer program calculate everything for you. You cant.


I don't really ever file returns.

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All you do is put numbers in a box and pretend that youre a professional


Today I was reading pending litigation that would potentially change the sourcing of online transactions in a certain state which could have huge impacts on where companies would need to collect and remit sales tax. That would have big impacts on their administrative costs and could completely derail revenue sharing agreements municipalities have entered into with certain companies who have located in said municipalities. Were you aware of this pending case?

Additionally, were you aware of the sweeping tax changes in Kentucky to take effect next year eventually eliminating the income tax?

That is what we get paid for. It's not necessarily anything proprietary, but are you willing to keep up with all that shite? If you are, good on you.

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My dentist loved his 38k scam.


Of course he did, if he has to pay it back with penalties and interest, like thousands of people are going to have to do, he's going to like it a lot less.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:57 pm
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:05 pm to
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Actually, lately I've spent a good amount of free time trying to secure an engagement.
If youre not calling everyone of your clients to file the ERC, you are doing them a disservice

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Well that's why paraprofessionals and preparers don't get paid $300/hour and that's why I bill more than that.
So you bill MORE than 300 an hour? Talk about Unethical.



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I don't really ever file returns.
Go play semantics elsewhere

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Today I was reading pending litigation that would potentially change the sourcing of online transactions in a certain state which could have huge impacts on where companies would need to collect and remit sales tax.
So you didnt do shite today at work. Just read some articles and paperwork. Probably charged some time to a company for it as well.

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That is what we get paid for. It's not necessarily anything proprietary, but are you willing to keep up with all that shite? If you are, good on you.

there are literally CPE courses you can sign up for to learn that shite. Your firm pays an annual subscription for you to have access to those instructional videos. Stop pretending doing research justifies your billing rate.

fricking hypocrite
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:27 pm to
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If youre not calling everyone of your clients to file the ERC, you are doing them a disservice


Where did I say I wasn't?

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So you bill MORE than 300 an hour? Talk about Unethical.


Way more

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So you didnt do shite today at work. Just read some articles and paperwork.


You don't think staying current on the taxation landscape when you are advising someone of the taxation landscape is doing shite? Odd

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Probably charged some time to a company for it as well.


For that particularly, I did not.


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there are literally CPE courses you can sign up for to learn that shite.


On this particular case, doubtful, but I suppose there could be.

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Stop pretending doing research justifies your billing rate.


That's not all of it.

Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:37 pm to
So lets wrap this up...You are trying to secure engagements with clients for the ERC and are casting shade on anyone other than CPA firms performing the same task.

You cast judgment on the amount charged for ERC services, however, you charge an absurd hourly rate WAY more than 300 an hour.

You are a hypocrite and have no moral high ground. Shame on you for your behavior.
Posted by plaric
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:40 pm to
How can someone say that a price charged by a company is unethical? The entire point of business is to charge what people are willing to pay.

A lot of professionals charge more and take on less work. It improves work / life balance and the clients are obviously happy with the work or they would stop paying it.
Posted by slackster
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:42 pm to
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ChexMix


You’ve found a way to make Mingo seem reasonable with your insecurity.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:44 pm to
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So lets wrap this up...You are trying to secure engagements with clients for the ERC


No

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are casting shade on anyone other than CPA firms performing the same task.


Also no. Are you retarded?

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You cast judgment on the amount charged for ERC services, however, you charge an absurd hourly rate WAY more than 300 an hour.


Correct.

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have no moral high ground


Of course I do
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