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re: The China economic miracle

Posted on 8/21/09 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by Seminole
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 12:38 pm to
"The city of Yakaterinburg, Russia’s largest east of the Urals, may become known not only as the death place of the tsars but of American hegemony too – and not only where US U-2 pilot Gary Powers was shot down in 1960, but where the US-centered international financial order was brought to ground.

Challenging America will be the prime focus of extended meetings in Yekaterinburg, Russia (formerly Sverdlovsk) today and tomorrow (June 15-16) for Chinese President Hu Jintao, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and other top officials of the six-nation Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). The alliance is comprised of Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrghyzstan and Uzbekistan, with observer status for Iran, India, Pakistan and Mongolia. It will be joined on Tuesday by Brazil for trade discussions among the BRIC nations (Brazil, Russia, India and China).

The attendees have assured American diplomats that dismantling the US financial and military empire is not their aim. They simply want to discuss mutual aid – but in a way that has no role for the United States, NATO or the US dollar as a vehicle for trade. US diplomats may well ask what this really means, if not a move to make US hegemony obsolete. That is what a multipolar world means, after all. For starters, in 2005 the SCO asked Washington to set a timeline to withdraw from its military bases in Central Asia. Two years later the SCO countries formally aligned themselves with the former CIS republics belonging to the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), established in 2002 as a counterweight to NATO.

Yet the meeting has elicited only a collective yawn from the US and even European press despite its agenda is to replace the global dollar standard with a new financial and military defense system. A Council on Foreign Relations spokesman has said he hardly can imagine that Russia and China can overcome their geopolitical rivalry,1 suggesting that America can use the divide-and-conquer that Britain used so deftly for many centuries in fragmenting foreign opposition to its own empire. But George W. Bush (“I’m a uniter, not a divider”) built on the Clinton administration’s legacy in driving Russia, China and their neighbors to find a common ground when it comes to finding an alternative to the dollar and hence to the US ability to run balance-of-payments deficits ad infinitum.

What may prove to be the last rites of American hegemony began already in April at the G-20 conference, and became even more explicit at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum on June 5, when Mr. Medvedev called for China, Russia and India to “build an increasingly multipolar world order.” What this means in plain English is: We have reached our limit in subsidizing the United States’ military encirclement of Eurasia while also allowing the US to appropriate our exports, companies, stocks and real estate in exchange for paper money of questionable worth."

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Posted by Seminole
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 12:40 pm to
Cliff notes coming up.

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Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 12:48 pm to
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LSURussian

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Holy Christ can I get a Cliff notes?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 12:50 pm to
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What paradigm is your super computer spitting out skippy?
Did you swallow a thesaurus?

Russia's economy has very little capitalism in it.......skippy.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 12:50 pm to
you linked a site whose tagline is "proudly predicting IMMINENT FINANCIAL DOOM since 1996!"

Kind of like the Seventh Day Adventists who have been confidently stating the exact date[s] for the end of the world since 1844.

EDIT: And for LSUPedant, my comment was obviously aimed at Seminole.
This post was edited on 8/21/09 at 12:52 pm
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 12:52 pm to
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you linked a site whose tagline is "proudly predicting IMMINENT FINANCIAL DOOM since 1996!"
Posted by Seminole
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 1:00 pm to
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Russia is NOT capitalist!


Skippy I am waiting patiently for you to come up with anything that is remotely correct.

"For years Western observers had assumed that as the transition from socialism to capitalism proceeded in the Soviet Union there would appear a gradual shift away from strict state control of production toward some form of market socialism. Some property and productive assets would move from collective to individual ownership, but not all that much. Market forces of supply and demand would take over some of the responsibilities of allocating resources, but the state would retain a dominant role in protecting the population from the excesses of capitalism. Russia would more or less fit itself into the Swedish model. The dynamic of capitalism would be safely subordinated to the imperatives of a welfare state. How could it be otherwise? After seven decades of collectivism, the people of Russia and the former Soviet republics must surely have lost all memory of commercial competitiveness.

In fact quite the opposite conclusion might be drawn. During the 70 years of the communist experiment the competitive impulse of Soviet man has not been extinguished at all, but rather has been channeled into the awkward mazes and blind alleys that ultimately led to abandonment of the Marxist-Leninist idea. Now freed of these constraints, it is easy to imagine these competitive impulses racing ahead of our Western form of corporate capitalism, which has grown flabby and slow. It is possible to imagine a future of Russian capitalism that asserts itself early in the 21st century as the envy of the world.

In this difficult time of Russia’s conversion from one system of political economy to another, it might seem sheer fantasy to present such a notion. The objective, as an alternative to the Swedish model, is worth considering, however. The Russian people are now engaged in nothing less than designing the basic architecture of a brand new country. Why not consider all possibilities? Why not design the Russian system of capitalism to be the best?"

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Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 1:07 pm to
From your link:
quote:

The Future of Russian Capitalism
Jude Wanniski
Spring 1992


Pukey, could you please link information that is bit more recent? Say, within the past 15 years?!?

I worked there and witnessed the dismantling of its fledgling capitalism economy back into a central command economy with the rise of Putin.

Posted by Seminole
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 2:31 pm to
Why don't you explain the Russian financial system to us skippy.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 2:37 pm to
If I did, I'd have to kill you.....
Posted by kfizzle85
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by Seminole
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 2:48 pm to
I think this one is a bit beyond your scope skippy maybe you should sit this one out. Anyone who hasn't figurred out yet that Russia is now a capitalist country...well I don't think this will be too productive.



"Together with the Central Bank of Russia’s foreign reserves, Russian authorities have a currency reserve of $413 billion, the largest per capita foreign currency reserve of any major economy, including China’s. In an oil downturn, authorities could spend that reserve to protect the ruble. In the meantime, the reserve adds an aura of stability to the economy for investors. “Excluding a couple of oil countries where the money belongs to the local ruling family, which is something different, Russia has surpassed all the newly industrializing Asian countries,” in foreign currency reserves, Kenneth S. Rogoff, an economics professor at Harvard, said in a telephone interview.

Analysts say Russia’s underlying fundamentals are good, too.

First, oil exports are not the sole source of the ruble’s rise. That was the case before 2007, but now foreign investment has become a significant factor. Private capital flows into Russia increased roughly 360 percent in the first six months of this year, compared with the same period last year. Only about 30 percent is attributable to oil and other extractive industries, according to the State Statistics Committee. Analysts also point to what they call Russia’s sound macroeconomics. President Vladimir V. Putin’s government has managed inflation, though certainly not eliminated it. And through its tight control over politics and society, the regime has kept demands for social spending in check — a leadership approach reminiscent of the authoritarian “Asian model” of economic development."

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Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 2:49 pm to


Thanks, Mr. Rivers.........uh, I mean Seminole....

ETA: You realize, don't you, that nothing in that last link you provided comes anywhere close to substantiating your contention that Russia's current economy is capitalism based????

This post was edited on 8/21/09 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Seminole
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 3:26 pm to
No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant....Nietzsche
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/21/09 at 3:29 pm to
Woman who flies airplane upside down must have crack up. - Confucius
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