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Tax question (pension plan to Roth IRA)
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:28 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:28 am
Over the last two years I have moved from TX to LA. While in TX I contributed into the Texas teacher retirement system.
When I moved home to LA. I withdrew my pension and deposited it into my Roth IRA.
I paid %20 taxes on the pension up front. They sent me a check and then I signed it over to my financial advisor to put in my Roth.
I just received my 1099R. Do I have to count this as extra income even though I never "touched" the money other than to sign it over to my Roth.
Any help would be appreciated.
When I moved home to LA. I withdrew my pension and deposited it into my Roth IRA.
I paid %20 taxes on the pension up front. They sent me a check and then I signed it over to my financial advisor to put in my Roth.
I just received my 1099R. Do I have to count this as extra income even though I never "touched" the money other than to sign it over to my Roth.
Any help would be appreciated.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:40 am to coachjude
quote:yes
Do I have to count this as extra income even though I never "touched" the money other than to sign it over to my Roth.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:50 am to coachjude
You w/h 20% on the rollover from a pension to a Roth? Did your advisor tell you to do that?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:08 am to Shepherd88
Yes I paid 20% in taxes on the pension in order for them to disperse it to me to sign it over to my roth IRA. The teacher retirement system does not do a direct rollover. You have to go through them personally.
I was taxes were because I withdrew early from the pretax plan and was moving it to a ROTH
I was taxes were because I withdrew early from the pretax plan and was moving it to a ROTH
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:39 am to coachjude
You report the gross as income, and the 20 percent withheld as a withholding payment.
Understand that the 20 percent may have been too much or not enough, and will affect your tax owed or refund accordingly.
Understand that the 20 percent may have been too much or not enough, and will affect your tax owed or refund accordingly.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:03 am to LSUFanHouston
The 20% is also considered a distribution and if he's under 59.5 he will be assessed a 10% penalty on it as well.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:22 am to Shepherd88
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The 20% is also considered a distribution
Yup, that's why I said the "gross'
quote:
if he's under 59.5 he will be assessed a 10% penalty on it as well.
If he moved the money from the state plan to a Roth and all was completed within 60 days, there is no 10% penalty as it's not considered an early distribution.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:27 am to LSUFanHouston
A touché, those indirect rollovers get tricky.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 2:04 pm to Shepherd88
Eventhough I got the check from the Texas teachers retirement. It is still considered a direct rollover. Thats why I am confused. Im going to take it to a CPA but just wanted to hear the Money talks opinion.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 2:32 pm to coachjude
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Eventhough I got the check from the Texas teachers retirement. It is still considered a direct rollover. Thats why I am confused. Im going to take it to a CPA but just wanted to hear the Money talks opinion.
There is a couple of things to consider:
1) Because you are going from a plan like Texas teachers retirement (a pre-tax plan) to a Roth (a post tax plan) there is income tax due on the value of the amount converted to the Roth.
2) If the check was made payable to the new fund company, and mailed to you, it's still a direct rollover, as you are unable to take constructive receipt of the money (cause it's made payable to the new bank).
3) If the check was made payable to you, it is NOT a direct rollover. You have 60 days to put it in the new account. If you do it within 60 days, there would be no tax on the amount transferred, it's treated like a rollover. However, if it was moved to a Roth, you would still owe tax, cause of the conversion.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 2:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
That's right, i think he's meaning tx teachers retirement wouldn't do a direct rollover to the Roth. It should have gone directly to a traditional Ira then be converted to avoid the with holding of 20% they did. If it was a direct to the custodian they wouldn't have w/h 20%.
But as I'm thinking about it more, unless he came out of pocket with that 20% to fund the Roth with rollover check. Then that 20% is still considered a distribution and never made it back into safekeeping of the Ira, so its penalized.
But as I'm thinking about it more, unless he came out of pocket with that 20% to fund the Roth with rollover check. Then that 20% is still considered a distribution and never made it back into safekeeping of the Ira, so its penalized.
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