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re: Options Trading Thread
Posted on 10/16/23 at 10:34 pm to LSUTIGERS74
Posted on 10/16/23 at 10:34 pm to LSUTIGERS74
I day trade the futures contracts which expire every 3 months. Right now it’s NQZ23. It’s a fixed expiration but it’s irrelevant to day trading. My trading edge is based on delta hedging flows created by market makers. I assess the underlying options landscape to determine where participants are positioned and knowing that, I know where the options dealers ha hedged from and to. It’s a very quant driven strategy and not for faint of heart. A working knowledge of partial differential equations is advised.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 10:38 pm to BourbonDad
Here’s today’s $25k trade on SPX 0DTE puts.


Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:35 am to BourbonDad
BourbonDad, thanks for the insight and that actually sounds a bit more complicated and will have to research a bit to wrap my head around it. Have diff. eq. experience but it has been a very long time (i.e. early 2000's Mech. Eng.). Also sounds like more involved trading than I have time for while working a full-time.
Good call on the longs on SPX yesterday!
Good call on the longs on SPX yesterday!
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:29 am to BourbonDad
Damn that put pumped and dumped 

Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:30 am to LSUtoOmaha
Anyone ever play SVXY? Saw an interesting trade earlier that had a 6.52 credit for selling an ITM call 80 and buying 90 OTM call on 11/17 exp.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:17 am to LSUTIGERS74
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Anyone ever play SVXY?
No, I can’t say that I’m familiar with that product. What setup are you considering?
Thankfully I didn’t put on anything on the short put side with MS this week. The 74 strike that I was looking at would have already been tested with the face smack it’s taking today. Plus I already had short options positions in BAC and SCHW, as well as trying to do something with AXP later this week. So no real desire to be any more heavily exposed in the financials. For today’s AH reporting, I’m going for a simple short put trade on TSLA around 10 delta to open. And still cruising with some laddered SPX 0DTE synthetic strangles. Also, for an investment account, I’m looking at some KMI cash secured short puts at the 17 strike. I already have a position there and want to add to it at the “right” price.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:12 pm to Jag_Warrior
SVXY is a short volatility futures fund. If you are long that ticket, you are short vol
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:16 pm to Jag_Warrior
I may follow on tsla. Was also thinking about doing a butterfly
Posted on 10/18/23 at 3:10 pm to Jag_Warrior
I did see it was an inverse etf for shorting vix, so if I understand it correctly if vix spiked the svxy would go down. Only reason I asked was I saw on Tasty feed that a few positions were taken and was trying to figure out the angle.
Didn’t get to make alot of trades today only some put spreads on spx that made it through that I entered thru TOS app while out in the field.
Didn’t get to make alot of trades today only some put spreads on spx that made it through that I entered thru TOS app while out in the field.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 3:41 pm to LSUTIGERS74
Gotcha. I wonder how Sosnoff & Co. were playing it? The VIX has been on a decent run up lately. Topped 20 today, but settled back to 19.22.
I ended up going heavy into laddered TSLA short puts. As its IV rose and the price dropped, I continued selling the 10/20 contracts - deltas ranging from about 15 to just below 10. IV percentile wasn't great, but the IV at 57%+ drew me in. Nice to see it going up a tad in light of a not so great earnings report.
Are you liking the TOS app? My phone has become my go-to mobile trading device. Other than verifying SPX support/resistance levels on my computer, I tend to mainly use the app to execute and monitor trades these days.
I ended up going heavy into laddered TSLA short puts. As its IV rose and the price dropped, I continued selling the 10/20 contracts - deltas ranging from about 15 to just below 10. IV percentile wasn't great, but the IV at 57%+ drew me in. Nice to see it going up a tad in light of a not so great earnings report.
Are you liking the TOS app? My phone has become my go-to mobile trading device. Other than verifying SPX support/resistance levels on my computer, I tend to mainly use the app to execute and monitor trades these days.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 4:06 pm to LSUTIGERS74
LSU ME here as well, 2012 go figure.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 4:40 pm to Jag_Warrior
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Sosnoff & Co. were playing it
They were expecting a spike in VIX which it did today and had a ~$4 drop in the SVXY so would have paid nicely today as it was sitting around $86 when I looked at it yesterday at 6.42 credit on 10 wide.
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TOS app
So so on the app, I like the desktop much better but the app is slowly growing on me.
I didn't get a chance to play TSLA today but did take some Netflix long calls yesterday (accidentally thinking the earnings were this morning).
Also dipped my toe into O DTE call scalps yesterday
Posted on 10/18/23 at 4:41 pm to BourbonDad
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2012
Not too far off, LSU ME 2004. Good to see a fellow engineer doing some great trading.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 1:35 pm to LSUTIGERS74
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I didn't get a chance to play TSLA today but did take some Netflix long calls yesterday (accidentally thinking the earnings were this morning).
You made two good moves then.


But on the positive side, the 0DTE SPX short synthetic strangles have been printing this week. And Mr. Powell's speech provided a nice volatility boost today (now back above 20). So unless something incredibly crazy happens in this last 90 minutes, this will be a nice haul for one day.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 5:36 pm to Jag_Warrior
Not an easy pill to swallow on TSLA, crazy run down since Wednesday open. I would think it climbs back up with the typically volatility in that name, albeit may take some time.
Agree, 0DTE this week has done well with VIX a bit higher, have played both SPX and NDX.
I am playing these fairly narrow strikes 5-10 (at ~5 delta short and roughly ~4 delta long) but are you playing a wider IC on them? I watched a few videos on IC vs Synthetic and I see Tasty recommends a bit wider to consider it a short synth. strangle vs IC but to be honest they look the same to me other than width, unless I am missing something. This also assumes there normal 45 DTE not the 0 DTE.
Did take a IC on American Express today for earnings play tomorrow and went with UVXY Omaha suggested on the spike today.
Agree, 0DTE this week has done well with VIX a bit higher, have played both SPX and NDX.
I am playing these fairly narrow strikes 5-10 (at ~5 delta short and roughly ~4 delta long) but are you playing a wider IC on them? I watched a few videos on IC vs Synthetic and I see Tasty recommends a bit wider to consider it a short synth. strangle vs IC but to be honest they look the same to me other than width, unless I am missing something. This also assumes there normal 45 DTE not the 0 DTE.
Did take a IC on American Express today for earnings play tomorrow and went with UVXY Omaha suggested on the spike today.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 7:57 pm to LSUTIGERS74
Had a new record day today on the 4330 calls. First $50k day, $35k on just those calls during the JPOW talk
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:37 pm to BourbonDad
Congrats on the big day! I have actually spent the evening looking into your delta heading flow strategy and while I can't quite figure out the metric I am learning a good bit of other things. I had some calls and a few puts during the speech as well and while I did profit, I still have a few things to learn when it comes to trends as I left a bunch of money on the table (but then again I can't complain about winning even if only a couple of hundred). I pulled the cord a bit too early on a couple of them. I really want to look at the proper chart settings over the weekend to help me identify consolidation points or potential points of reversal. Any recommendations there or general chart settings you use to help with intraday?
Posted on 10/20/23 at 7:36 am to LSUTIGERS74
I’m not big on indicators tbh. My trade style is entirely predictive to the point where candle sticks are lagging indicators to what I think is about to happen. That being said I use volume profile the most. There’s a lot of info out there on delta hedging. 90% of liquidity is option dealer hedging.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 8:59 am to BourbonDad
Got it, I have only been using RSI, volume, bands and moving averages and then looking for consolidation with lower volume to predict a change in direction or peak.
I think I finally understand the absolute very basics of the delta hedge methodology. In the simplest terms I can think of you basically look at the option volumes between calls and puts and the changing deltas to see how market makers are moving the positions to make them delta neutral. So as the puts/calls move in a given direction versus the underlying momentum that is where you enter in a potential directional short term play?
I think I finally understand the absolute very basics of the delta hedge methodology. In the simplest terms I can think of you basically look at the option volumes between calls and puts and the changing deltas to see how market makers are moving the positions to make them delta neutral. So as the puts/calls move in a given direction versus the underlying momentum that is where you enter in a potential directional short term play?
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