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re: Long-Term Care Insurance

Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:20 am to
Posted by Allthatfades
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:20 am to
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A nice retirement/nursing home in BTR is about $3500


You better double that if you want a nice nursing home.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4891 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:42 am to
Medicaid will pay for a shitty LTC facility. You will not receive proper memory care or assisted living with Medicaid. You will also have to spend down all your assets before you even qualify.
Posted by Bdiddy
Member since Jul 2021
313 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:57 am to
"It really depends on your financial situation. If you expect to have a sizable estate ($3 million +?), or a high value home that will be paid off, you’re probably better off self funding."

I have never quite understood this. Nobody tells someone with a high net worth to self insure their homes or cars. I have a policy because I want to be able to spend as much of my money as possible, without keeping an extra $700K lying around in case I need substantial care. (That's roughly my lifetime benefit when I am in my early eighties) I don't have children to take care of me, nor do I have anyone that I am compelled to enrich greatly upon my death. I also hope to have help in my home for as long as possible.

I do agree that higher premiums have made this a tough decision, as paying years of high premiums and not utilizing the policy creates a huge difference in one's nest egg. Conversely, not having LTC addressed can be devastating to your legacy goals, your children's quality of life, and how you are remembered.


Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1800 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:12 am to
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I just looked up a $312,000 permanent life insurance policy with best health classification on a 50 year old male at $449.47/month (policy is paid in full at 25 years).


You're looking at the wrong type of policy here. What others are discussing is more of a hybrid policy where you either put a crap-ton in for a few years(think 10k+) or a lump sum (think 100k+). Then, on top of this, there is a LTC rider, usually without inflation protection, that pays out for a set number of years.

The math works if you actually *use* the money for LTC or you die and get the life benefit. The math does not work if you ever decide you want the money back to use it (which is an option). It's like 1.75% return over say 20 years... not good.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4891 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:31 am to
This is correct. However if you use a GVUL policy then it is invested in the market and that is your inflation protection. The guaranteed portion of it is putting in more premium to make sure that even with a 0% return it’ll provide a benefit (although in that case there would be no inflation adjustment).

But yes, it’s leveraged to either provide a LTC benefit or life insurance, you will lose if you take the cash value for something else (on this type of policy at least).
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:16 pm to
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You're looking at the wrong type of policy here

I said in my post that it is not long term care. Just a life insurance policy with an Accelerated Death Benefit.
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The math works if you actually *use* the money for LTC or you die and get the life benefit.

Yes. That is the premise of life insurance. Again, it is not a long term care policy though.
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The math does not work if you ever decide you want the money back to use it (which is an option). It's like 1.75% return over say 20 years... not good.

It is a life insurance policy. Not whole life insurance. It doesn't even maintain cash value. Just guaranteed life insurance with an Accelerated benefit option.
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