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Ireland - teh bailed out

Posted on 11/28/10 at 7:45 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 7:45 pm
Only $112B, no big deal.

Politicians continue their stellar record of being completely full of shite in blatantly obvious situations. Keep it up guys!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123840 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 7:56 pm to
Ireland is small potatoes (pun intended). Spain will be big if this stuff continues.
Posted by Tigris
Mexican Home
Member since Jul 2005
12351 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 9:03 pm to
Interesting video of Nigel Farage addressing the European Parliament. He agrees with you and expects that Spain will cost 7x what Ireland did and at that point the Euro is finished. It is worth watching for a couple of points he makes even if he ultimately turns out to be wrong.

LINK
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 9:23 pm to
I would say I've been saying that for months, but that would be stating the obvious...
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 10:39 pm to
Should have kept De Valera's policies...
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 10:27 am to
This is fun. My dark horses are Belgium and Austria (to blow up big time).
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 10:33 am to
quote:

This is fun.


Twisted bro. Twisted.




Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 10:37 am to
Well, I've been trying to unwind my CDS positions for the past few weeks. My eyes pop when I see the entry points. Portugal was at 60bps in July last year. Today - 470bps!
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:00 am to
Some interesting questions:
quote:


The question is whether the Eurocrats can beat back the speculators. I find the whole situation much too complex. I can only come up with a list of things that I wish I knew.

1. What is the true state of the large European banks? In particular, if, they had to write down the principal on the debt of the PIGS by, say, 15 percent, which banks would still be solvent?

2. What does the option for inflating away European debt look like? How would the cost of that inflation be distributed? Can the inflation take place within the context of the euro, or does it require that some countries leave the euro?

3. Does a crisis create an opportunity for governments to make radical changes to the welfare state, or is that still not possible?

4. Suppose that governments have to choose between preserving their banks and preserving high levels of spending on public employees and retirees. Which choice is better for the economy? For political survival?


LINK
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:54 am to
Its absolutely hilarious that they're suggesting bond holders take some pain (rightfully so obviously) yet some asshat will go out there and proclaim no haircut needed on sovereign holdings in stress tests.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:22 pm to
Take a look at some sovereign holders - Munich Re for instance. That have a massive sovereign debt portfolio. I think just their PIIGS exposure is larger than the entire equity of the company.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:29 pm to
Is the second I for Iceland?
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:44 pm to
Ireland and Italy
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 7:19 pm to
Europe scares the shite out of me.

They burn cars, strike and protest every attempt to turn back their unsustainable model.

Do these people not get it?

Are they even in the same hemisphere with reality?
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 7:33 pm to
You think it can't happen here?
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 7:44 pm to
Yes. It can.

Nature has a plan. The plan is when someone is a baby their parents take care of them and when the parents get old the kids take care of them to return the favor since they can't provide for themselves any longer.

We took that as a species and turned it into stopping work at 56 and having those working fund your trips to Yellowstone in your $45,000 RV.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 11/29/10 at 7:46 pm to
The system goes awry when people don't work or produce and are supported by those that do. You can't get around it.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:45 am to
Belgium cratered today.
Posted by Monkey
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
4172 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Ireland is small potatoes (pun intended). Spain will be big if this stuff continues.


frick spain, Italy! Or the UK! Or japan.

The meantime between failures and bailouts of the eurozone is going to decrease until it all comes tumbling down.

Auerbach did a great piece today about germany and their banks.
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