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"Independent Land Man": still a viable profession?

Posted on 11/27/22 at 2:40 pm
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 2:40 pm
What is a typical income scenario for a Land Man? How much training/certification is involved? Hard to break into?
T.I.A.
Posted by HarveyBanger
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 2:43 pm to
The few I knew all got laid off back in 2015 and went into different fields
Posted by CastleBravo
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 5:39 pm to
Part of their compensation (if they were good) was to receive an overriding royalty on any deal they put together for drilling.

I believe deals like this are pretty much unheard of now.

Most of the oil development money is chasing leases/wells that were drilled in the 80s/90s/00s and re-developing them using horizontal drilling. They know the oil is there already due to those old wells, so there is much less risk in going after it.

So there is currently not a need for landmen to put together exploratory deals for wildcat wells.
Posted by down time
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 6:39 pm to
look into "right of way agent" stuff in mid-stream.
doubt much is independent anymore.
This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 6:42 pm
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:55 am to
Guy in my neighborhood still does it and “you wouldn’t believe what they pay (him) to work from home doing it”


Never talked details with him beyond that. In his 30s.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:58 pm to
I am not a landman or anything but I have been researching it since I turned 18 or so. It's a line of work I have always had interest in. I have had a few uncles work both in house and in the field. There are still jobs posted on indeed and what not every once in a while. It doesn't seem to be like the old days when you could get hired without a degree or any experience.

You don't necessarily need to get certified but once you land a job it wouldn't help to start getting certificates from the AAPL. There are 3 levels I think.

Definitely in for this one, hopefully there are some that post here.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:03 pm to
If he works from home I wonder if he is in house. Or maybe he is only making deals or only researching online courthouse records? Most of the job for being an independent landman involves driving to courthouses, researching deed records, etc. and then making deals with mineral owners. Seems like it would be hard to do that all from home.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:04 pm to
There are also right of way jobs for other industries, solar, wind, utilities. Getting some experience there could help. I have been longing for one of these jobs for a while now.
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 7:19 pm to
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There are also right of way jobs for other industries, solar, wind, utilities.
900-acre solar farm project to begin near Opelousas in 2023 "....the company expects to sign agreements with about 20 land owners for leasing property for at least 15 years."

Talked to a former O&G Landman the other day who has flipped totally to solar.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 10:49 pm to
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What is a typical income scenario for a Land Man?


Landman is one word. Day rates for someone who is working under a main lead broker umbrella will be based on experience and said lead broker's willingness to share a portion of the top day rate they get per landman on a job ($450-550 these days), but sounding like you're looking to start fresh, so maybe something like $250/day to start brand new with zero experience.

Also depends on willingness to travel and be flexible if they need someone shagging leases or surface/ROW agreements. Many courthouses are online these days for title research, though some lead brokers like to have someone able to make that physical trip to a courthouse too, even one that's online, from time to time.

Also get compensated something like 55-58 cents per mile, and depending on the contract with the main client, maybe something like $25-50 per day for meals, depending on if staying overnight in hotels for work.

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How much training/certification is involved?


Hell, you honestly could land something with a lead broker with zero previous trainings or certificates if they see you as someone willing to put in time to learn, hustle, and they're willing to understand that there will be progression and a learning period. Some aren't willing to invest that, which is a shame because the field needs new, young folks coming up still wanting to fill the needs.

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Hard to break into?


See above for sort of the same answer. Maybe taking an online course or two from a university COULD assist. Back when I was in college, I think only U of Louisiana-Lafayette, OU, UofH, TX Tech, Ole Miss and U of Denver had full fledge Professional/Petroleum Land Management curriculums. Now many more do. LSU, I think, has some sort of Energy Management curriculum where you might be able to take an online course or two if you want to display some sort of education.

The professional organization, AAPL, does courses as well.

Hope this helps.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 10:50 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21260 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 11:15 pm to
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Talked to a former O&G Landman the other day who has flipped totally to solar.


It is a pretty hot market right now. Also...arriving especially on the Gulf Coast over the past year is leasing for pore-space for CO2 sequestration projects. BOTH of those are driven with current political initiatives, and it remains to be seen how they remain financed and if they make real money.

There's still a ton of oil & gas work out there too; however, as a previous commenter above said, the top current active plays are leased out. Most of the mineral stuff has been accomplished. What's left is surface rights acquisition work, curative for drill site title opinions and due diligence on A&D activities.

If you're looking to break in brand new, the surface work that is needed is a great way to start. You can't do all that by telephone and email, though, especially areas with traditional ranchers like Permian and Powder River Basins. Many still want you to sit with them in their kitchens and/or meet them at the proposed locations on their ranches. That's what makes that sort of work fun, though, in my unprofessional opinion.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:19 pm to
Western Colorado state has a PLM degree too… and I think Tulsa might as well.

I thought those degrees were more for in house landmen though??
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21260 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 2:57 pm to
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Western Colorado state has a PLM degree too… and I think Tulsa might as well.

I thought those degrees were more for in house landmen though??


That’s the route those graduates try to go, but it doesn’t always work out that way once they graduate. And especially if it would cause relocation.

Lots of PLM grads from UL start out doing the broker stuff, and some are maybe able to land an in-house gig after getting some experience. Of course, if you’re from South Louisiana and don’t want to have to move to somewhere Houston, Midland or Denver, then you might be stuck having to do the broker work for your career.

Very few, and they’re small, operators left in the Lafayette area. The ones left maybe have a couple in-house landmen and that’s it.
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