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re: How much would having a pension keep you at your current job.

Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:34 pm to
You're right the pension itself doesn't reward seniority, but it's the whole mindset and culture it creates. If you have to stay at a company 30 years to get a pension, people tend to stay that long. With that, you get a whole class of people who come to believe advancement should be based not on individual merit but on "service to the company" or how long they've been "waiting in line." In addition, employee mobility, which pensions discourage, shifts bargaining power to the employees. If an employer knows you'll never leave because you want your pension, they're less likely to compete for your continued employment, in which case disgruntled lifers begin reverting to things like seniority in order to bargain for advancement for themselves.

The first thing any pensioner at my company will tell you when introducing themselves in a professional context is how long they've been with the company. That's great and the dedication and loyalty are admirable, but your 30 years of sitting on your arse may not be as valuable as a new employee's diverse experience and skillset. But God forbid you tell a person who's been at a company 20 years that the guy who's only been there 5 is actually more qualified.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:36 pm
Posted by LSUregit
Member since Dec 2013
1620 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:07 pm to
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You talking military pensions? Or pensions that are someway tied to military service?



Pension as a medical provider working at a VA clinic. I'm considering leaving private practice to go work and treat pts at the VA but would like to know if this "benefit" is really worth a 10-15% pay cut.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:22 pm to
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but your 30 years of sitting on your arse may not be as valuable as a new employee's diverse experience and skillset. But God forbid you tell a person who's been at a company 20 years that the guy who's only been there 5 is actually more qualified.

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With that, you get a whole class of people who come to believe advancement should be based not on individual merit but on "service to the company" or how long they've been "waiting in line."


From my experience, this is 100% accurate.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3791 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:37 pm to
I understand what you are saying and the implication, but this is certainly not my experience in O&G professional ranks.

I agree it discourages mobility and rewards the "lifers", but I don't agree it empowers them unless the company culture encourages it. It's not specific to offering a pension or not.

Experience is certainly important, but it is not limited to company service. If that 5 year employee has been in the industry for 30, and the 20 year employee that started right out of college does not understand his true seniority/qualification, I don't see this as being created by offering a pension.

In addition, some companies place more value on outside experience than others. While this is a bit more difficult to convey, culture plays a role as well. I've seen this shift between the companies I've worked for. One values the "lifers" and prefers cradle to grave employees, while the other prefers to poach mid-level employees from outside their company. The diversity offered by the second seems to be much more valuable.
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