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re: Deutsche Bank Litigation / Bailout Watch

Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:27 pm to
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:27 pm to
Not much has happened lately, but here's the news for the day: " Deutsche Bank's Bond Gambit Backfires".

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Let's take a step back for a moment to understand just how significant this is. Since August 2015, developed-market government bond yields globally have plunged almost in half, to an average 0.6 percent. Yields on dollar-denominated bank bonds have dropped on average while those on investment-grade bonds globally recently plunged to the lowest on record. This has been a historically terrific year for bonds and almost anyone who wanted to borrow money.

Blockbuster Bond Year

Most bonds have gained value this year as analysts lowered their economic forecasts.

It's quite different for Deutsche Bank, however. It's getting materially more expensive for the lender to borrow as it negotiates a settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice related to its handling of mortgage-backed securities.

This just showcases how much credibility the bank has lost in credit markets. Its bonds have the highest average yield among the top 50 bank-bond issuers in the U.S. as well as Europe, according to Bank of America Merrill Lynch index data.



Perhaps what I haven't emphasized enough yet, is how much bigger Deutsche Bank's balance sheet is when compared to Lehman Brothers in 2008, and how much bigger it is relative to the GDP of its domestic economy. See e.g., " How Deutsche Bank is Lehman Brothers and how it isn’t":

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That was my initial guess, but after I sat down to write this column, I realized I had underestimated the importance of Deutsche Bank. Lehman Brothers on May 31, 2008, (the last 10-Q it had filed before it went bust) showed assets on its balance sheet of $639.4 billion and stockholders' equity of $26.3 billion. By comparison, Deutsche Bank, as of June 30, 2016, has assets of €1.8 trillion and stockholders' equity of €66.5 billion. Given the size of Deutsche's balance sheet, it is three times as large as Lehman Brothers was.


But Germany's GDP is less than 19% of that of the U.S. (about $3.5t compared to $18.6t), so as a Bloomberg article from October 5 (" Deutsche Bank, Lehman and the End-of-Days Debate") notes:

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In 2003, Germany's gross domestic product was three times the size of the assets of its biggest bank. By last year, Deutsche Bank's balance sheet was worth more than half of the entire German economy; put another way, if the Deutsche Bank asset book was the GDP of a country, it would rival Italy's entire annual output:

A bank with assets of 1.8 trillion euros ($2 trillion) shouldn't much care whether the U.S. Justice Department fines it $5 billion, $10 billion or $20 billion. No matter how big the eventual punishment, it certainly shouldn't be an existential threat for an institution of Deutsche Bank's size. The fact that it is testifies to the failure of European banks to sock away sufficient capital for a rainy day.

Part of the problem, though, is that bank accounting statements remain scarily opaque. So no-one really knows what lies beneath Deutsche Bank's headline figure of about 46 trillion euros (yes, trillion) of gross notional exposure to the derivatives market or whether, as my Bloomberg Intelligence colleague Jonathan Tyce calculates, that figure genuinely plummets to just 41 billion euros (still a very big number) after counting pledged collateral and netting off what the bank owes other versus what other owe it.


So it might not be on par with a situation like Iceland or Ireland, or even the U.K., but its imperative for Germany to rescue Deutsche Bank if necessary, and so Merkel obviously will if forced to do so.

Deutsche Bank is acting much more responsibly than Lehman Brothers did. I admit that it's kind of an apples-and-oranges comparison, but whereas Fuld & Callan tried to sweep everything under the rug and bluff to creditors that everything was fine, Deutsche Bank has been working very hard to spin off subsidiaries, negotiate lower legal settlements, and raise bonds in the capital markets.

The political fallout could feed the populist anti-Merkel backlash already brewing in Germany, and futhermore, prod the ECB to shovel more bailouts to Italy and other southern countries in the name of fairness. All while acrimony between the U.K. and the EU continues to grow, and the GBP continues to sink like a rock.

Europe may be getting closer to raising its own protectionist walls even higher.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:01 pm to
I haven't posted on this topic in a few weeks, with DB's share price breaking past $13. However, there are still faint rumblings being heard from both Europe and China.

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Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:14 pm to
I'm not used to phone-posting.

Anyway, the main article that caught my attention this weekend was this 8-part piece from Spiegel, " The Deutsch Bank Downfall".

There have also been recent articles about China's government trying to rein in debt (much larger than ever before), and in the Telegraph about how Barclays and DB are both still in trouble. But the Spiegel article caught my attention as I was just visiting Germany for the first time and passed by the DB Twin Towers in Frankfurt a few days ago.

With the Spiegel article, the authors are melodramatic German socialists who clearly hate the very idea of Anglo-American investment banking, so the whole article has to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, it's excellent for learning more about the historical development of DB's culture, and how it ended up with so many big litigation liabilities for so many different reasons. (It's not just this one big DOJ case.)

With the other articles, you see the normal Bloomberg news about how DB posted surprisingly good profits recently, but also some skepticism about how it will all work out. It seems as though DB is close to getting out the woods, but is not out yet.
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
15970 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:29 pm to
I'm about ready to sell. My shares at $13 look alright
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