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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:12 pm to
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Can mtgox steal those coins and sell them for usd or are they just lost forever essentially?
Just ask Wiki. All they have to do is transfer them through a mixing service and they can remove the taint of being misappropriated (stolen is such a harsh word).
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First of all, severing taint between transactions is quite easy to do. For instance, a mixing service might have POOL_A and POOL_B. You send your money from ADDRESS_1 to POOL_A and they send you money from POOL_B to ADDRESS_2 (which you also own). So now, the "tainted" coins are sitting in POOL_A, while you control some non-tainted ones that were sent to you from POOL_B in a completely different bitcoin address. Someone else will eventually gets your original coins that were sent to POOL_A. That is a very simple example of how this works. They actually get more complex than that.
LINK

If Wiki is correct, which I doubt, then the former MtGOX operators have access to unfettered ownership of a substantial number of Bitcoins.

FYI, Bitcoins are now trading for $450 on bitstamp.com.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:18 pm to
$442
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:19 pm to
It's getting bad. I want to stay up and watch this disaster, but I have class in the morning. I need coffee and a cigarette, it's going to be a long night.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:24 pm to
I hope you're not long on btc now. Please tell me you're not.
Next support is $430.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 11:25 pm
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:27 pm to
frick no. I never am, but I am worried about it dragging the other markets down. The other coins typically trend with BTC.
Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:28 pm to
if only you had ever figured out how to short btc
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:30 pm to
You actually can short on Bitfinex, but they've probably disabled it by now.
Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
53560 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:32 pm to
He wouldnt have shorted anyway. If there is problems getting cash from the long positions, shorts would have the same issue.
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:34 pm to
Learning things.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133373 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:38 pm to
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He wouldnt have shorted anyway. If there is problems getting cash from the long positions, shorts would have the same issue.
This.

Can you imagine the margin calls on btc if anyone has bought on margin???
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:48 pm to
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Can you imagine the margin calls on btc if anyone has bought on margin???



...No, tell me more.

Seriously though, I don't deal with those types trades at all, neither in magic moneyz nor the actual market. I've started absorbing all information that I can about trading/buying in general, and any sort of useful information that you guys through out is appreciated.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:48 pm to
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Can you imagine the margin calls on btc if anyone has bought on margin???
Only people more stupid than the borrowers would be the lenders. How are they going to collect?
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:50 pm to
I've got it! The exchange takes out a loan from the new First Bitcoin Bank of Cyprus!

We can all buy BTC Bonds.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 11:52 pm
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:56 pm to
It wouldn't surprise me if the capital of the Bitcoin bank in Cyprus was the Bitcoins missing from MtGOX. The exchange didn't work out, let's try banking.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:00 am to
Whenever I buy on margin, which I rarely do (stocks, not btc ) , I set a strict stop loss limit price to get out no matter what.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133373 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:03 am to
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Only people more stupid than the borrowers would be the lenders. How are they going to collect?

If the margin call is not answered according to the terms of the margin agreement, as in one trading day, the lender takes the collateral, which would be the btc. I have no idea if any exchange allows margin purchases of btc. Nor am I willing to find out.
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:05 am to
It really wouldn't surprise me either.

Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:07 am to
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I have no idea if any exchange allows margin purchases of btc. Nor am I willing to find out.



Here you go!
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133373 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:10 am to
Wow! There's no way a small btc exchange site can withstand the price declines of btc if they are providing margin financing for any significant volume of their sales.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
50643 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:14 am to
Laughed at this correlation when I saw this earlier on a finanial webite:
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Bitcoin: "The Scientology of Currencies"
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