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Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:29 pm to
Your market is on fire. I'd probably rent if I lived in Houston. Wait for better days to buy...
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 2:32 pm
Posted by roguetiger15
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:35 pm to
Mine are around 1100 square feet on cement pillars and have wall units. If I need to purchase an appliance I find one on craigslist. Wall units are extremely cheap. I don't do contracts, always month to month

The most important part is going through the house extremely thorough before purchase. Most of the time it's just a little tlc needed.

A couple friends I have that dabble in real estate investments actually charge per person and label their property as a group home charging 400/person. Most of his tenants have psychiatric disorders and go to day programs throughout the day. They sometimes live 2-3 pple per bedroom but to them that's just they're way of life. Sure getting payments can be troublesome at times but they get their checks on the first and most are very good at paying that day. My brother is a psych doc and refers them people looking for housing, which happens on a weekly basis. Louisiana has a very high psych disorder population bc they're rent is extremely cheap relative to other states.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:40 pm to
yeah. Im still renting well below market rate for where i am. Got a townhome with two other guys, i pay around $600 a month. 1 bedroom apartments(700square feet are going for $1500.

People brag on the market but there is a bubble buiding. Brand new 2000 Sq ft townhomes are being built and selling for $400k in areas around downtown where the previous property(SFH with a front and back yard) was selling for maybe $100k.

Builders are trying to keep up with demand. We are getting alot of people from areas of the country that have typically higher home prices. There is still so much of inner city Houston that is undevelped that once the housing catches up with demand that prices will begin to fall again. There are also alot of condo construction being built.

I know alot of newly maried couples that have bought recently. But within 5 years they will have kids and need more space, no telling what the resale will be.

I have thought about buying the Woodlands as an investment.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:46 pm to
The housing market here in lafayette is absolutely insane as well. I've got real estate agent friends closing 7-10 deals a week on average. Pple are buying the shittiest new construction homes I've ever seen (dr Horton in particular) for full price. Pple are just frickin dumb
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 6:33 pm
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 3:47 pm to
post those pics of your property I Love Bama
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 6:16 pm to
On a work trip right now.

Might can later
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:26 pm to
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post those pics of your property I Love Bama



I can't believe anyone believes that ILB, who was bragging just a year ago about going from being an intern to having a big boy job, has a real estate portfolio that would rival Donald Trump.

He very well may have bought A rental house but he obviously talks more than he walks and from me being in this business for the past 15 years I feel sorry for anyone that takes his advice. A lot of it is off base or stuff regurgitated from infomercials.

BTW, rentals suck and the average person isn't getting rich off of them because banks aren't going to just give you an open checkbook to buy enough to generate serious monthly income. You may make some steady money but it's a lot of headache IMO. The only way I would do it is if I set up a plan where I get my 10 year depreciation off of them then flip them on year 11. You would have to start buying a few a year though to get to that point. I was going to do this and use the ones I flip in year 11, 12, 13 etc as my retirement but then I had something bigger come along I put money into. Even doing that I would turn it over to a management company to deal with the headaches for me but then again I hate people so it just isn't for me.

I would rather owner finance with $5K down and nail them on rates and late fees. I have 4 I have done this on. One of them I have had for 12 years now and the people always pay late but they always pay eventually. The good thing is that they are no where closer to paying it off than they were the day they bought it because of late fees. The greatest beauty of it is that they also pull their own maintenance so no 2 A.M. calls that their A/C is out or some bullshite.

There are plenty of oil field trash and plant workers around here that can afford the $5K down and monthly notes but because of poor life choices and/or an ex-wife they have horrible credit and can't buy through a bank.

One of my friends actually wrote a book about this very thing. He owns over 65 owner finance properties now. He has owned rentals including whole apartment complexes and he dumped them because of the headaches of rentals vs owner financing.

I only do this on properties I get cheap enough though. I flip anything else and mostly build on spec.

My friends book
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:47 pm to
Stout do you have any experience in mobile home lots/investment properties? I had some land passed down and I've been seriously considering creating a mobile home residential area that will fit between 18-20 lots. I've gone to a few friends who do have these investments and in general the roi seems pretty good, much better than any other residential rental investment. If I go through it I'll prob be spending 30k getting it mobile home appropriate, I do however have a huge advantage being the land was given to me. It seems as though the going rate is around 2-300 per month/tenant


My goal in 10 years is to be able to start purchasing commercial properties which will be a majority of my retirement portfolio.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 8:49 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:02 pm to
My uncle owned a mobile home park. His only gripe was that when he bought it there was some park owned units he had to deal with renters on. He eventually got rid of them and just went to lot rentals which is less of a headache but will still have some management time. His biggest headache was collecting rent. Not to stereotype just to do it but you aren't dealing with the most upstanding citizens when it comes to a mobile home park.

I would also imagine the insurance premium on a park is fairly high. I wouldn't allow anything bigger than a house dog for one to keep that liability down.

How can you get it ready for $30K? A multi unit sewer system costs that much alone much less other utilities. Just curious.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:28 pm to
I got quoted between 20k and 40k for the sewer systems so i took the average. As for as foundation, slab and road forming my brother owns a company that specializes in that and is willing to do it at no cost. Being that I'm an honorary Jew, I'll prob take my chances and go with the lowball estimate on the sewer in order to save costs for utility expenses

The reason he's willing to do it at no cost is bc I haven't charged him a penny for being both his FA and broker of record for his 401k
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 9:31 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:32 pm to
Damn, the road deal is huge for you.

I would go for it at that cost. Your ROI will be huge considering your low start up cost.

I wish I could do an RV or mobile home park here in LC. There's over $50 billion in development coming here over the next 10 years and there is not nearly enough housing for all the construction workers that are coming.

Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:41 pm to
Being a mcneese grad I hear where you're coming from. I'd love to own a place like sugarloaf. I think it's sugarloaf. On 14?

What does a management firm usually charge? I'm guessing around 7-10%?
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 9:43 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:45 pm to
10% is what my old broker used to charge. That was 10 years ago so I am not sure if it's changed.
Posted by eng08
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:07 pm to
I had a 8 % monthly management fee in BR.
Posted by trillhog
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:24 pm to
I did the opposite a few years ago on some property on the lake , bought a old peoples trailer park up and then cleared everybody out over 3-4 years and the subdivided it out in lot for sale only have one lot left now and I have it priced high. Whatever the land is you want to make the highest and best use for it. Is there anything else but trailer parks you can put there? Or you just looking for cash flow if so build out storage units and leave space for people to park stuff, very good cash flow.

I'd be reluctant if I were you to develop anything that one day can't be bought to go with a bigger piece if a development, you don't manage it right and you are left with a pile of shite. It all depends I guess in how cheap you get in though.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 10:30 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:34 pm to
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Or you just looking for cash flow if so build out storage units and leave space for people to park stuff, very good cash flow.



Storage units suck. You are collecting very little money from a lot of people. It's not a bill that's a high priority for people to pay every month. Also, when people need to cut bills out storage units are one of the first things to go. I know because I used to have some and when the economy tanked people came and got their stuff and I had units sitting empty.

Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:45 pm to
I'm not putting a permanent building on that property. Less than a quarter mile away will be a walmart going up (carencro)
Posted by trillhog
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:46 pm to
I disagree, it's all I'm doing right now new. I like how when a tenant leaves it doesn't hurt, you have a retail or office tenant leave and you spend all that money on TI and brokers fee getting a new one not to mention the money lost with a vacancy. You lose some and you get some new tenants all the time storage units. My favorite part is the rv and boat parking outside that you get paid on for without any buildout . Plus there are bigger groups buying up well run facilities right now at $35-$40 SF so you just need to build under that. Also they are easy to run you just have one guy in a apartment that keeps it maintained. May not work everywhere but they key is to build near high concentrations of multi families seems to work best. Buying land cheap in good proximity is the biggest challenge.

Also i would only do bank drafts, never leave it as a bill to pay. I found people moving and downsizing during the downturn made vacancys lower?
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 10:49 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:51 pm to
It may be different where you are at. Units around here are a dime a dozen. People pop them up in their front yards if they have an acre or two to spare.
Posted by trillhog
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:51 pm to
quote:

I'm not putting a permanent building on that property. Less than a quarter mile away will be a walmart going up (carencro)


In that case if it has road frontage you need to get a alta survey and pitch it to every national credit tenant you can think of (aldi, jiffylube is expanding, ect ect) and hit a lick and 1031 that money into a better project
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 10:56 pm
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