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Bond for deed

Posted on 5/14/11 at 5:29 pm
Posted by Wilbon
Phoenix
Member since Jul 2008
67 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 5:29 pm
I have a condo that I was offered a Bond for Deed. The buyers are going to put up 100k and pay monthly payments and then a final payment of 165K. I don't have to sell but would like to get rid of it. TIA
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 5:53 pm to
:csb:

I say that because you didn't ask a question anywhere in your post, so I assume you're just sharing.
Posted by Wilbon
Phoenix
Member since Jul 2008
67 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 6:59 pm to
I was wondering about the risks and benefits of doing this. The condo has really picked up in showings (including 2 second showings last week) and should I pass and wait for another offer.

Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:02 pm to
In LA a bond for deed means that you don't have to turn over the property until he satisfies the bond, basically you are the bank in this deal (well not quite, but it isn't that far off). If you think you can decide better than a professional lending officer if this guy is good for it, great.

But if you do know more than a lending officer then you probably wouldn't ask for advice here. So I'd pass. No offense, but this is probably a game played by people who are experienced with this, know the pitfalls, etc.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:16 pm to
Why would a lending officer be better able to determine the credit worthiness of a single individual?
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

Why would a lending officer be better able to determine the credit worthiness of a single individual?


Lending officers can be wrong about such things but they do this day in and day out and aren't stupid. The OP would be essentially betting that every bank in town was wrong to refuse a mortgage app, and it is wise to have a concrete reason why.

I didn't say no concrete reason exists. I said that if you're good enough to be better than all the lending officers in town then you probably shouldn't be asking for advice on this board.

ETA: The assumption here is that the guy is asking to do this deal because he couldn't qualify for a traditional mortgage anywhere else. That is often the case with these "creative financing" deals. Basically, you have to find out why he couldn't qualify and also why you should be willing to finance the deal when no bank was willing to. There might be a valid reason but you have to be careful.
This post was edited on 5/15/11 at 6:00 am
Posted by MightierThePenIs
Member since Jan 2008
1510 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 12:26 pm to
Think of it this way...

They default, you get $100k AND the property.
Posted by MightierThePenIs
Member since Jan 2008
1510 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 12:28 pm to
fo, you're a smart guy but way out of your realm of expertise on this one.

BFD means it's a Big Friggin Deal if they default having given a $100k downpayment.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

it's a Big Friggin Deal if they default having given a $100k downpayment.


I missed that in the OP. If the buyer is putting that upfront then this is indeed a sweet deal. Sorry I misread the OP, I should have paid closer attention.
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
21057 posts
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:21 am to
yep.

100k down, and if they are 45 or more days late on a payment you can bring the hammer

its pretty amazing, actually
Posted by MightierThePenIs
Member since Jan 2008
1510 posts
Posted on 5/18/11 at 8:43 am to
Ya, I know of 'shrewd' businessmen, I would call them crooks, but what they do is legal, who use BFD to sell a property multiple times.

It is truly more of a buyer beware than seller beware transaction.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166135 posts
Posted on 5/18/11 at 9:37 am to
quote:

Wilbon


Find a "bond for deed" specialist in the area to draft up all the legal paperwork.
Posted by Wilbon
Phoenix
Member since Jul 2008
67 posts
Posted on 5/22/11 at 2:42 pm to
OK, I countered with 283 K and no contingency (on them selling their ski condo). They said yes at 283 but 50k now and 50k in 6 months. So basically I get an extra 18K for waiting 6 months on the second 50k. also if they default on the second 50 K I keep the first 50. So worse case I basically rent the place out for 6 months at about 9600 a month. Am I missing something?

And TIA
This post was edited on 5/22/11 at 2:44 pm
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 5/22/11 at 3:10 pm to
I don't know why they want to do this. It seems too good to be true. Maybe they just want to keep a loan off their credit report. You should ask them up front why they want this system in a non interrogative way.
Posted by Wilbon
Phoenix
Member since Jul 2008
67 posts
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:26 pm to
They just sold a condo in Colorado and are selling two other pieces of property
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