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re: Anyone that would help me with my finances? Update (4/7/23) - Page 1
Posted on 2/5/23 at 8:45 am to NATidefan
Posted on 2/5/23 at 8:45 am to NATidefan
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be able to take out what I put in ibonds last year in May. But plan to wait til September, since it will lose thr last 3 months interest earned.
Any rush to take it out? Rate might be okay. If it isn't I will put mine in hysa.
Website is tough trying to figure rate etc but I think what it shows as interest has 3 month lag built in so that's what you get if you withdrew.....I think lol
Posted on 2/5/23 at 8:47 am to molsusports
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think you can submit an adjustment with a tax professional.
If you arent going to exceed $22,500 a piece in 401k and $6,500 both in IRA in 2023 is there any point to do this
Posted on 2/5/23 at 8:55 am to Ace Midnight
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Are you going to have a mortgage in retirement? Do you and your wife have expensive hobbies and/or plan to travel significantly in retirement? Are there pensions/passive income streams other than social security in the future?
Nothing outrageous as far as travel or hobbies. No pensions.
Honestly I really haven't thought alot about my retirement goals for myself, cause I just haven't felt they are attainable. I would love my wife to be able to retire by 65 or so. Just trying to save as much as we can while still going one reasonable vacations once a year or so for our sanity, lol. We almost never eat out, I do all home repairs thst I possibly can, etc.
My wife understands the situation. We met later in life and she was in about the same financial situation as me. Worse actually.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 9:06 am
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:03 am to thelawnwranglers
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Any rush to take it out? Rate might be okay. If it isn't I will put mine in hysa.
No, no rush. Just want to have it where it will be earning the most. If the rate stays high I will leave it, but I have feeling it's going to drop to were its 5% or lower.
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Website is tough trying to figure rate etc but I think what it shows as interest has 3 month lag built in so that's what you get if you withdrew.....I think lol
I'm not sure about that exactly either.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:32 am to baldona
I see lots of good advice so far, so in addition to that here is another key element of your plan. Have an investment strategy within your 401k and IRA’s, and even in your savings account. Diversity is key and I don’t mean ESG;(. At your age you can afford to be slightly aggressive, maybe 70/30 or even 80/20 stock equities to bonds/fixed income. Diversify your stock investments; buy in various sectors, many small positions are less risky than a few large positions.
Corporate bond yields with a decent rating (A’s) are around 6% which is higher than in years. I like buying individual bonds, not bond funds because when you buy a bond you will get 100% of your principle back if you hold the bond to maturity.
Start an after tax investment account; Fidelity is my favorite. Start off as a self directed account and put any extra cash, or a small auto deduct from your paychecks. Regardless of how small the incremental investments are, they will add up. But only invest here when you have maxed out IRA and the 401k matched amount. You can actually use this as your savings account as well. Fidelity has a money market account paying 4.2% interest, so your 20k in savings is making you $70/month.
Back on type of investments in your various buckets. Avoid the sexy high risk stocks. Look for those that have a solid history of growth and pay a decent dividend. Also be aware of economic conditions like our current/pending recession. I am totally out of the market (I’m retired, but would be mostly out even if I wasn’t). I believe that we will see market dips of 20-25%. SP maybe to 3000-3200.
People say you can’t time the market and that’s partially true, but you can invest optimally when the market is relatively deflated. And with your tax deferred accounts, you can buy and sell without any current capital gains concerns. So for example right now, you may want to sell some of your solid performers that may not have a great outlook (tech). Wait for the pending dip and buy back in small increments along the dip curve. You never know the absolute bottom but you will know when there’s blood in the streets and a decent buying opportunity.
I know many 401ks have limited investment choices, but look at the contents of all of their mutual funds….btw I hate the 2035 funds, 2040 funds or wtf they are.
In summary, what you invest in within your buckets is as important, or could be more important, as how much you put in. God bless and keep plugging. Y’all will be fine.
Corporate bond yields with a decent rating (A’s) are around 6% which is higher than in years. I like buying individual bonds, not bond funds because when you buy a bond you will get 100% of your principle back if you hold the bond to maturity.
Start an after tax investment account; Fidelity is my favorite. Start off as a self directed account and put any extra cash, or a small auto deduct from your paychecks. Regardless of how small the incremental investments are, they will add up. But only invest here when you have maxed out IRA and the 401k matched amount. You can actually use this as your savings account as well. Fidelity has a money market account paying 4.2% interest, so your 20k in savings is making you $70/month.
Back on type of investments in your various buckets. Avoid the sexy high risk stocks. Look for those that have a solid history of growth and pay a decent dividend. Also be aware of economic conditions like our current/pending recession. I am totally out of the market (I’m retired, but would be mostly out even if I wasn’t). I believe that we will see market dips of 20-25%. SP maybe to 3000-3200.
People say you can’t time the market and that’s partially true, but you can invest optimally when the market is relatively deflated. And with your tax deferred accounts, you can buy and sell without any current capital gains concerns. So for example right now, you may want to sell some of your solid performers that may not have a great outlook (tech). Wait for the pending dip and buy back in small increments along the dip curve. You never know the absolute bottom but you will know when there’s blood in the streets and a decent buying opportunity.
I know many 401ks have limited investment choices, but look at the contents of all of their mutual funds….btw I hate the 2035 funds, 2040 funds or wtf they are.
In summary, what you invest in within your buckets is as important, or could be more important, as how much you put in. God bless and keep plugging. Y’all will be fine.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:37 am to NATidefan
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No, no rush. Just want to have it where it will be earning the most. If the rate stays high I will leave it, but I have feeling it's going to drop to were its 5% or lower.
I am kind of waiting see what it goes to. My HYSA is 3.3% right now. I can get YTM 4.7% on treasuries in my brokerage.
Very curious on next rate
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:46 am to NATidefan
Both of you need to be maxing out your 401k. I needed to know your account balance to project. Your date fund will shift investments to a more conservative blend as you approach the date. The 500k index is a mix of the top 500 companies and is basically VOO.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:53 am to NATidefan
You are better off than 90% of Americans.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:55 am to thelawnwranglers
My HYSA is 3.75. That's where we have our emergency funds.
From what I gather, my best move over the year (this is assuming the ibond rate drops like I expect) is to try to get the 65k in ibonds moved to a IRA and or 401k.
I'm just not sure how to go about it. The IRA is simple (just start it and put 6000 in), but the 401k I can't just add to it since it has to come out of our checks.
So I guess the best way to do that would be to raise our 401k contributions and then use the money that we take out of ibonds to cover expenses???
From what I gather, my best move over the year (this is assuming the ibond rate drops like I expect) is to try to get the 65k in ibonds moved to a IRA and or 401k.
I'm just not sure how to go about it. The IRA is simple (just start it and put 6000 in), but the 401k I can't just add to it since it has to come out of our checks.
So I guess the best way to do that would be to raise our 401k contributions and then use the money that we take out of ibonds to cover expenses???
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:57 am to AUCE05
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Both of you need to be maxing out your 401k. I needed to know your account balance to project. Your date fund will shift investments to a more conservative blend as you approach the date. The 500k index is a mix of the top 500 companies and is basically VOO.
Ok thanks.
We could both contribute more, but I don't know that maxing out is a viable option at the moment. I mean 40k is 1/3 of our income. I don't see how we could do that right now.
Could we max it out for this year with the ibonds coming out to fall
back on ? Yes, thats what im trying to figure out right now. Crunching numbers and trying to figure out the best way to do that.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:58 am to NATidefan
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Honestly I really haven't thought alot about my retirement goals for myself, cause I just haven't felt they are attainable.
I think this is the bigger problem you're having. You don't know what you don't know.
At 42, you're only, roughly, halfway through your working career. Just as a hip shoot, I think you need a million dollars, minimum, but probably more, to retire much before age 70.
Is your job rock solid stable for you to work until you don't want to? Are they going to try to force you out in some sort of "youth movement" in 10 to 15 years?
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:00 am to Ace Midnight
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Is your job rock solid stable for you to work until you don't want to? Are they going to try to force you out in some sort of "youth movement" in 10 to 15 years?
Lol, yes it's stable. One of the best/worst qualities about it is they don't boot anybody, lol.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:00 am to NATidefan
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Can you explain the difference to me in this and what I currently have it in? The vanguard 2045 retirement fund.
A target retirement fund will have an asset allocation (stock vs bonds, index/passive vs actively managed, US based vs international) that varies with age, generally becoming more conservative by that “target” date.
An institutional S&P 500 index will be strictly stocks passively managed via index fund strategy (ie mirrors the allocation based on market share/value).
If these things sound unfamiliar to you, you should educate yourself first and understand clearly your investments. I am an advocate of John “Jack” Bogle’s work. Index investing is what I advocate for, mainly due to its reliable performance and simplicity.
Books/audiobooks I recommend you use to get started.
1) Little book of common sense investing
2) Boglehead’s guide to investing
Both are easy to digest and relatively short and will not only get you on the path of “what to do” but also educate you on “WHY TO DO” which is more important.
Good luck.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:01 am to NATidefan
You said you don't think $40k per year is doable. Is $30k doable?
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:10 am to Ace Midnight
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You said you don't think $40k per year is doable. Is $30k doable?
Not sure, I'm looking at that right now. But I know we can't for 40k every year. We could do it this year mostly likely cause we will have the ibond money I remove to make up for it.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:28 am to thelawnwranglers
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think you can submit an adjustment with a tax professional.
If you arent going to exceed $22,500 a piece in 401k and $6,500 both in IRA in 2023 is there any point to do this
To reduce your taxed income from 2022.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:49 am to TigerToGeaux
My wife's 401k is more limited than mine on what she can invest in. But there is a c975 fidelity 500 index fund as an option.
Hers was in a ret fund like mine, but her company just switch her 401k to voya. It's now in DFA global Allocation 25/75 portfolio.
Hers was in a ret fund like mine, but her company just switch her 401k to voya. It's now in DFA global Allocation 25/75 portfolio.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 10:53 am
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:53 am to TigerToGeaux
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target retirement fund will have an asset allocation (stock vs bonds, index/passive vs actively managed, US based vs international) that varies with age, generally becoming more conservative by that “target” date.
An institutional S&P 500 index will be strictly stocks passively managed via index fund strategy (ie mirrors the allocation based on market share/value).
Both are generally solid options. A newer investor should read and learn about this stuff but big picture the most important thing is the consistency of savings and contributions
Which is fairly obvious when you think about it. Barring some outlier gains or losses the key to accumulating wealth is consistently adding to the kitty.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:17 am to molsusports
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To reduce your taxed income from 2022.
Pretty solid reason lol
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 11:18 am
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