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Advice on Annuity Disposition

Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Uroblast
SE TN
Member since Jan 2010
125 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:38 pm
1st time poster on Money Board but have enjoyed reading for years. Would appreciate advice from the intelligentsia of the MB on what to do with an annuity that was owned by my Father who passed away earlier this year. My Mother survives and fortunately has no financial concerns. This is her annuity but she has plenty of other resources for her retirement/living distributions and it will pass to me since I am her only child. She wants me to choose - yikes. First off, I am anti-annuity. This particular annuity holds non-qualified money approximately $330,000 and is a variable annuity with market exposure. Of this, 230,000 is taxable at income tax levels. Should I flush this thing by taking the death benefit and keep in a conservative market investment or keep limping along with high expenses (approx 2-2.5% ) to avoid the tax hit. Any other avenues to get out of this thing without paying Uncle Sam so much? I know that there may be more details of the contract required but I'm freaking clueless about annuities and generally think they are a racket. to the MB
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25626 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:46 pm to
Talk to your tax professional.
It sounds like your biggest liability are taxes (not fees or lost opportunity or surrender charges).
Posted by Jaspermac
Texas
Member since Aug 2018
413 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 5:04 pm to
It looks like it made your dad a lot of money. Most of the time the surrender charges go away with death and your mom can assume the account. If so, move it to a cash position now. Annuities are last in first out so when you take a withdrawal, it will all be taxable until you pull all the earnings out.

You may want to call the company with your mom and ask questions. Not saying don’t ask the agent, but I would also call the company.
Posted by AugustaTiger
Augusta, Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
743 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 7:37 am to
I am anti annuity too.

I’ve used This to polish up some turds and solve the problem you are facing before.

You can do a tax free exchange into this annuity and it adds an “earnings enhancement” where they add 40% to whatever the annuity earns that’s pays out as life insurance. Essentially covering your tax bill. (She doesn’t have to go through any underwriting for this)

Also, you could use the income from the annuity to fund a life insurance policy on her. Policy would pay out tax free on her death and you use it to pay taxes on remaining annuity and qualified assets. (Assuming that she is insurable).
You could also add a “chronic illness rider” to the insurance so you could use it in the event that mom needs additional care later in life.

Or just use the income from the annuity to buy VTI and (hopefully) get a step up on basis upon her death and use that money to pay your taxes.

If she is insurable, I’d do the LI policy. The annuity provides a guaranteed payout to cover premium and the insurance is contractual so you don’t have to worry about congress screwing with it- like you would if you were relying on a step up in basis.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 7:38 am
Posted by Bdiddy
Member since Jul 2021
233 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 8:00 am to
If she's in good health, I would consider taking the income option within the annuity. This would be the most tax-efficient option as a portion of each payment would be basis, and it would be stretched over her lifetime. While this is a conservative approach, the guaranteed income might allow her to invest more aggressively in other areas. I would also be sure that there's around a 10 year guarantee in case she died early. (Not sure how old she is, so that might change what I would do) As someone mentioned, the income could be used to buy a LI policy on her, which would have the affect of converting a tax inefficient asset into a very tax efficient one. Since she likely has no surrender charges, she could exchange it into a low-cost VA in order to continue to defer taxes.
Posted by Uroblast
SE TN
Member since Jan 2010
125 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:47 am to
Thanks for everyone's replies My Mom is 82 and in good health but probably not a candidate for a LI policy. I looked at the Pac Life EEDB but she's too old for that option. Restructuring in a variable annuity that is lower cost may be the best option like suggested to avoid such a big tax hit even though I would really rather get out of the annuity business. I guess when she passes, there would be a step up in basis if that doesn't change with future tax code. Man this stuff is complicated for a non-financial guy. I'm still in the acquisition, saving portion of life. This has really made me think about how I'm going to get money out after retirement so I don't get killed with taxes and still save some for the kids!!! Best thing is that I had a great Dad that was frugal, hard working and loved his family. Best legacy ever and you can't tax that!
Posted by Bdiddy
Member since Jul 2021
233 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:25 pm to
There is no stepped-up basis for the annuity gains, which are taxed at ordinary income rates. It might be wise to exchange to a low-cost variable annuity, and have her take some distributions each year, stopping when it would be taxed at higher brackets. I am a fan of income annuities for specific situations, but the expenses, lack of stepped-up basis, and having gains that would normally be capital gains taxed at ordinary income make VAs mostly unattractive to me.
Posted by Jaspermac
Texas
Member since Aug 2018
413 posts
Posted on 12/25/21 at 7:15 am to
Bdiddy is right on. I would not start income or “annuitize” with interest rates so low, but you do want to take out some money each year for your mom to pay taxes at her rate. You can 1035 some to form some laddered accounts. I’m not sure which state you are in, but you can find some fixed rate options at her age and maybe do a 3,4&5 year annuity.

I know you are against annuities but you have the ability to get her out of the market with the VA and not lose any money but also have it available for her.
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