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Zemek: The Brad Wing LSU Celebration Nonsense
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:47 pm
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Zemek: The Brad Wing LSU Celebration Nonsense
By Matt Zemek
CollegeFootballNews.com
Posted Oct 10, 2011
Week 6 Thoughts: Zemek on the LSU celebration penalty
CFN Analysis
Week 6 Thoughts, Oct. 10
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By Matt Zemek
People, please, have we all gone mad?
Whatever happened to common sense?
The rule might be the rule, but seriously, the world needs to take a step back to truly grasp the ridiculous “celebration” penalty assessed against LSU punter Brad Wing in the win over Florida.
By rule, by law, one could make the case that officials followed proper procedures and did what Master Rulebook declared they should do. Yet, according to any basic tenet of common sense, the penalty was absolutely ridiculous.
There’s an important distinction to be made on this issue: There should be a rule prohibiting inappropriate or excessive celebrations. Collegiate athletes should have fun, but not at the expense of their opponents. They should be able to show emotion, but not when said display of emotion sends the equivalent of an F-bomb to the player that was just outclassed in the process of scoring a game-deciding or statement-making touchdown.
Why does this have to be so difficult, and why can’t grown men – officials who are generally over 50 years old, with decades of life experience as husbands and fathers – not make the simplest, most elementary distinctions between “a kid having well-deserved fun” and “unsportsmanlike conduct”? Can someone in the officiating community or the college football rules committee offer an adult answer to this question and publicly present it to coaches and players?
Here’s what Wing did: He was about to score a touchdown on network television, and he found himself in the midst of a spectacularly successful play, all alone and immersed in what amounted to a regal procession.
What kid – from Australia (as Wing is) or anywhere else – hasn’t dreamed of raising one’s arms above one’s head once the notion of a career in football became realistic?
Once a player straps on the pads, the dream of marching into the end zone and raising the football becomes implanted in the brain. Fat-guy touchdowns, punter touchdowns, defensive touchdowns – these touchdowns can be scored alongside “traditional” touchdowns registered by running backs, receivers and quarterbacks. Putting one’s arms above one’s head – or even to the side of one’s body, as was the case with Wing – doesn’t even BEGIN to pass the sniff test as an act of truly UNSPORTSMANLIKE conduct. It’s not even a debate… not in a logical world.
Do a Deion Sanders or Merton Hanks dance before the goal line? Sure. Untoward and over-the-top showmanship are unsportsmanlike displays. Point a finger or stare down an opponent? Sure. Any overtly personal gesture to an opponent is unsportsmanlike in the extreme. Throat-slashing gestures? They could be met with double-unsportsmanlike conduct penalties worth 30 yards, and no one would have a place to raise a stern objection. Gestures laden with violent meanings could warrant ejections, given their potent symbolism.
Wing did nothing which would sink to the level of unsportsmanlike conduct. The gesture wasn’t directed toward a Florida player. It wasn’t laden with nastiness or edge. There was no message sent to the opposing team, no haughty expression of competitive arrogance. This is not hard to discern.
It wasn’t hard to discern here, and it wasn’t hard to discern when Navy’s Kriss Proctor scored a go-ahead touchdown - in OVERTIME! - against Air Force the previous week. Proctor didn’t make any wildly outlandish gesture to any opposing player. A little trash talking was as far as he went, and trash talking will be a part of high-testosterone athletics as long as human beings play sports, in front of or away from cameras.
There should be a rule against excessive celebration. Know what that rule is? Unsportsmanlike conduct, the penalty that’s part of the college football rulebook. If an opponent gets taunted or shown up, by all means throw the flag. There’s just one simple problem: Wing, like Proctor, didn’t taunt or show up anyone. Maybe one of these years, officials can make the simple distinction between an appropriate and inappropriate celebration.
Let’s just hope that the LSU-Alabama game isn’t decided by a similarly stupid decision.
Zemek: The Brad Wing LSU Celebration Nonsense
By Matt Zemek
CollegeFootballNews.com
Posted Oct 10, 2011
Week 6 Thoughts: Zemek on the LSU celebration penalty
CFN Analysis
Week 6 Thoughts, Oct. 10
Follow Us @CFBnews | Like Us facebook.com/CFBNews
By Matt Zemek
People, please, have we all gone mad?
Whatever happened to common sense?
The rule might be the rule, but seriously, the world needs to take a step back to truly grasp the ridiculous “celebration” penalty assessed against LSU punter Brad Wing in the win over Florida.
By rule, by law, one could make the case that officials followed proper procedures and did what Master Rulebook declared they should do. Yet, according to any basic tenet of common sense, the penalty was absolutely ridiculous.
There’s an important distinction to be made on this issue: There should be a rule prohibiting inappropriate or excessive celebrations. Collegiate athletes should have fun, but not at the expense of their opponents. They should be able to show emotion, but not when said display of emotion sends the equivalent of an F-bomb to the player that was just outclassed in the process of scoring a game-deciding or statement-making touchdown.
Why does this have to be so difficult, and why can’t grown men – officials who are generally over 50 years old, with decades of life experience as husbands and fathers – not make the simplest, most elementary distinctions between “a kid having well-deserved fun” and “unsportsmanlike conduct”? Can someone in the officiating community or the college football rules committee offer an adult answer to this question and publicly present it to coaches and players?
Here’s what Wing did: He was about to score a touchdown on network television, and he found himself in the midst of a spectacularly successful play, all alone and immersed in what amounted to a regal procession.
What kid – from Australia (as Wing is) or anywhere else – hasn’t dreamed of raising one’s arms above one’s head once the notion of a career in football became realistic?
Once a player straps on the pads, the dream of marching into the end zone and raising the football becomes implanted in the brain. Fat-guy touchdowns, punter touchdowns, defensive touchdowns – these touchdowns can be scored alongside “traditional” touchdowns registered by running backs, receivers and quarterbacks. Putting one’s arms above one’s head – or even to the side of one’s body, as was the case with Wing – doesn’t even BEGIN to pass the sniff test as an act of truly UNSPORTSMANLIKE conduct. It’s not even a debate… not in a logical world.
Do a Deion Sanders or Merton Hanks dance before the goal line? Sure. Untoward and over-the-top showmanship are unsportsmanlike displays. Point a finger or stare down an opponent? Sure. Any overtly personal gesture to an opponent is unsportsmanlike in the extreme. Throat-slashing gestures? They could be met with double-unsportsmanlike conduct penalties worth 30 yards, and no one would have a place to raise a stern objection. Gestures laden with violent meanings could warrant ejections, given their potent symbolism.
Wing did nothing which would sink to the level of unsportsmanlike conduct. The gesture wasn’t directed toward a Florida player. It wasn’t laden with nastiness or edge. There was no message sent to the opposing team, no haughty expression of competitive arrogance. This is not hard to discern.
It wasn’t hard to discern here, and it wasn’t hard to discern when Navy’s Kriss Proctor scored a go-ahead touchdown - in OVERTIME! - against Air Force the previous week. Proctor didn’t make any wildly outlandish gesture to any opposing player. A little trash talking was as far as he went, and trash talking will be a part of high-testosterone athletics as long as human beings play sports, in front of or away from cameras.
There should be a rule against excessive celebration. Know what that rule is? Unsportsmanlike conduct, the penalty that’s part of the college football rulebook. If an opponent gets taunted or shown up, by all means throw the flag. There’s just one simple problem: Wing, like Proctor, didn’t taunt or show up anyone. Maybe one of these years, officials can make the simple distinction between an appropriate and inappropriate celebration.
Let’s just hope that the LSU-Alabama game isn’t decided by a similarly stupid decision.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:50 pm to coolmonk
great post. thanks.
I hope that the entire LSU team learns that anything they do can and will be used against them in big games, so they might as well get used to it and just hand the ball to the ref and go back to their team to celebrate more privately.
I hope that the entire LSU team learns that anything they do can and will be used against them in big games, so they might as well get used to it and just hand the ball to the ref and go back to their team to celebrate more privately.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:57 pm to coolmonk
Im more in line with Miles' thinking. Just score the fricking TD and be done with it...isnt that enough? I really dont get the showboating crap.
That's why I loved Barry Sanders so much. He would make the most freaking unbelievable run...leaving about 8 or so jock straps strewn across the field...score a TD and then simply hand the ball off to the Ref.
Celebrate victory is my motto...not the play
That's why I loved Barry Sanders so much. He would make the most freaking unbelievable run...leaving about 8 or so jock straps strewn across the field...score a TD and then simply hand the ball off to the Ref.
Celebrate victory is my motto...not the play
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:00 pm to ottothewise
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I hope that the entire LSU team learns that anything they do can and will be used against them in big games, so they might as well get used to it and just hand the ball to the ref and go back to their team to celebrate more privately.
I never have like " This scares me Post", but I will say this. This scares me a lot about the refs at Bama..........I just hope the refs don't take a win from LSU at Bama........
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:05 pm to Swat5
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Im more in line with Miles' thinking. Just score the fricking TD and be done with it...isnt that enough? I really dont get the showboating crap.
- Have you ever played sports at any competitive level before? Adrenaline and emotion can take over very easily. You play sports to have fun and to compete, not to be robots with no emotion.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:07 pm to Swat5
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Just score the fricking TD and be done with it...isnt that enough? I really dont get the showboating crap.
Wing was showboating??? Please. That's ridiculous.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:09 pm to Swat5
You must be a fricking blast to hang out with.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:10 pm to coolmonk
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Let’s just hope that the LSU-Alabama game isn’t decided by a similarly stupid decision.
Love his last statement ... guess LSU fans aren't the only ones that question whether LSU will get a fair shake in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:11 pm to ChenierauTigre
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You must be a fricking blast to hang out with.
He's not allowed out without an attendant.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:14 pm to snoggerT
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Have you ever played sports at any competitive level before? Adrenaline and emotion can take over very easily. You play sports to have fun and to compete, not to be robots with no emotion.
yes i have...both HS and JC. Like i said...how did Barry Sanders score so many incredible TDs and not once showboat? how is that possible?
And yes...Wing was showboating.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:15 pm to Swat5
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And yes...Wing was showboating.
That was showboating? Somewhere D. Sanders is laughing his azz off.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:16 pm to snoggerT
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You play sports to have fun and to compete, not to be robots with no emotion.
:inb4rrpic:
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:17 pm to Swat5
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And yes...Wing was showboating.
He's a Punter ... let him enjoy the moment. How often does he get a chance to score?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:28 pm to Swat5
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:34 pm to Uncommon Cents
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:40 pm to Uncommon Cents
Because Barry Sander's job was to score TD's....it was expected of him, he was a running back....what do u think the chances are that Wing will ever score a TD again? He could very never do it again, and just to show a little emotion....u can't compare a RB to a punter when it comes to emotions from a TD.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:47 pm to sug314
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Because Barry Sander's job was to score TD's....it was expected of him, he was a running back....what do u think the chances are that Wing will ever score a TD again? He could very never do it again, and just to show a little emotion....u can't compare a RB to a punter when it comes to emotions from a TD
Oh bullshite. TDs are still very tough to come by whether its a punter or a running back. So why didnt Sanders showboat during his first TD? that had to be a big deal right?
It's all about one's personality. Either you're insecure or you arent. If you're secure and comfortable in your skin...then scoring is more than enough. If you arent..then you need to showboat and bring attention to yourself.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 6:51 pm to Swat5
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showboat and bring attention to yourself.
Are we saying that what Wing did was showboating? I seriously couldn't see it in real-time, even after rewinding to watch for it specifically several times. Worst showboater *ever*
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