re: Wow....not much faith in Miles

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So if you can't put Miles in the top 5, then how can you put Saban? He has 1 NC to Miles 1 and has less seasons under his belt with more than 11 victories?

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I mean did Miles drastically improve the program after he got here? No, he did very well with Saban's players the first two years, then with some of his players and Saban's players won a nat. champ, then this past year w/ mostly his players went 3-5 in the SEC, so no you can't put him ahead of Saban til he does it with his own players or turns a program around, or keeps a program competing at a high level for a sustained level, i.e. Carrol Mack Brown, Bob Stoops, who teams are always really good. So you have to combine turning programs around w/ sustaining programs to be a top 5 coach, and miles has done none of these things... yet, this isn't to say he CAN'T but to this day has not.

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I mean did Miles drastically improve the program after he got here?

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1) He didn't need to.
2) He won 11 games or more 3 straight years.
3) 3-5 in the SEC with no qb is just about par.

You can't drastically improve on something that is borderline perfect! LSU has facilities, the recruiting base, and fan support to compete for championships.

We've done that in Miles tenure every year he has been here including last year with no experience at the qb position........so whats your gripe?

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Sorry yea, meant to swap those around, you can't tell me miles is a better coach than saban

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that's what I thought you meant, and no big deal... just wanted to make sure that's what you thought.

i don't jump in and say that Saban is this, or Miles is that, b/c i think that they are both great coaches. Certainly, you could argue that Saban is a superior rebuilding coach. Lou Holtz was another. And he had a pinnacle at N.D. But, he couldn't sustain what he had built, or else was looking for more glorious pastures.

But, after Saban left, LSU didn't need another Saban or Holtz, in my opinion. We needed someone more like Miles.

I don't know if he'll retire here, or the details of his buyout contract. He probably won't retire in Louisiana. I know his roots are elsewhere. But, I, for one, admire him for staying with us when we needed him most. If it weren't for that, we wouldn't have won the SEC or the National Championship.

I'm an LSU fan, and I don't forget that.

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he believe that Les Miles has Nick Saban to thank for his success. It's a very common and tiring misconception.

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Leading rusher, Saban recruit
Leading passer, Saban recruit
Leading receiver, Saban recruit
Leading tacker, Saban recruit
2nd. Leading tackler, Saban recruit
Both Interceptions, Saban recruits
All forced fumbles, Saban recruits
3.5 out of 4 Sacks, Saban recruits
All but 1 Defensive starter, Saban recruits
All but 3 Offensive starters, Saban recruits

So please tell me how Les didn't win the BCS game w Saban's players????????

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[quote]Leading rusher, Saban recruit
Leading passer, Saban recruit
Leading receiver, Saban recruit
Leading tacker, Saban recruit
2nd. Leading tackler, Saban recruit
Both Interceptions, Saban recruits
All forced fumbles, Saban recruits
3.5 out of 4 Sacks, Saban recruits
All but 1 Defensive starter, Saban recruits
All but 3 Offensive starters, Saban recruits

So please tell me how Les didn't win the BCS game w Saban's players????????

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Correction. They were Saban's RECRUITS. The minute Les Miles walked on LSU's campus they became Les Miles players. HE coached them to the National Championship. to say otherwise is riduculous. Talent without coaching does not a championship make. Look at USC.

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So does that mean that Saban's year last year was with Shula's players? It goes both ways.

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Sort of, BUT Saban improved Shula's players and made them better, so that classifies as being a good coach, b/c he IMPROVED them, this evident by a crappy first year w/ Bama players then an awesome second year, not to mention there best offensive player, was recruited by Saban, Julio Jones

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Correction. They were Saban's RECRUITS. The minute Les Miles walked on LSU's campus they became Les Miles players. HE coached them to the National Championship. to say otherwise is riduculous. Talent without coaching does not a championship make. Look at USC.

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Yea I'd fricking HATE to have the success of USC

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Well just look at last years results to see how he did w/ his RECRUITS AND PLAYERS

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8-5 with an avg qb and some horrible defensive coaching.........SO.....you can't wipe out what occured before last year off Miles's resume.

We didn't play good ball last year, FACT.
LSU has less talent than when Saban was here. FICTION.

re: Wow....not much faith in Miles (Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:32 a.m. to mlttiger)

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Correction. They were Saban's RECRUITS. The minute Les Miles walked on LSU's campus they became Les Miles players. HE coached them to the National Championship. to say otherwise is riduculous. Talent without coaching does not a championship make. Look at USC.
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Yea I'd fricking HATE to have the success of USC


My point is: they have crazy talent every year and how many championships have they won? Pete Carroll is not all he's cracked up to be in the media IMO. but that's a whole other argument!

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Well just look at last years results to see how he did w/ his RECRUITS AND PLAYERS

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I would like to see any coach lose 3 QB's and do better...not to mention the defensive coordinator. that alone is a big hurdle to overcome and he had all of that in one year.