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Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:47 pm to AlexLSU
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Most people believe Miles won with Saban's talent and his talent alone. Sure Les coached them the majority of their careers, but it wasn't fully "his" team.
Which is exactly why most people are clueless fricking idiots. How many people do you hear saying that about Urban Meyer? You don't, but if you want to look at it, its the same shite. People are stupid, its that simple.
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The year that the majority of Saban's star players left, the wheels fell off. Not only did he lose 5 games, but he lost the team and the players
Yea, and it just so happened that our starting QB was a moron and got kicked off the team. Not looking to make excuses here, but a lot of things went wrong for the team last year. Sometimes that shite happens. Things almost always go right for teams that win championships. That is fact. Look at the stats for the NC every year. The Nat. Champ is usually near the top of the country in turnover ratio, sacks, ints. ect. None of those things were good for us last year, but it can all change in 1 years time.
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He isn't paid to win a title then fall off the face of the Earth, so someone saying he needs to prove himself or earn his check is dead on.
Oh, you're right, absolutely. Every big-time college coach needs to prove himself every year. These guys are getting paid too much not to.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:47 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Just say it. You believe a little of Miles coaching helped us in 07 but 99% of it should be attributed to the players for just being great players when they were recruited. Stupid opinions like that are reserved for other team's fans to try and downplay our coach. And you sound just like them.
I think about 20 or so coaches could have led LSU to one national title from 05-07. That doesn't mean Les isn't a good coach; it means we were sick talent wise. That's not hard to comprehend
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And I guess thats it huh? Sabans recruits left and we had a average record. I guess there's only one explanation. Case closed. That's insanely narrow minded and yet again, stupid.
You're right, let's broaden our thought process here. The players didn't try, the players were coached poorly, the defensive coordinators sucked. Guess what, all those fall on the coach. Give me something else oh wise one. I'm eagerly waiting.
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We're NOT a national championship team. That was last year, this is this year. And Saban lost his players last year after their loss against us, so I guess he's overrated too right?
Honest question for you to answer, was Bama's 07 teams anywhere close to LSU's 08 team talent wise? Shula sucked at building Bama, Les and Nick didn't with LSU.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:48 pm to AlexLSU
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Most people believe Miles won with Saban's talent and his talent alone.
No, they really don't.
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The year that the majority of Saban's star players left, the wheels fell off.
Do you honestly think that had more to do with "Saban's" recruits leaving that it did with unqualified co-ordinators running the defense and 3 QBs with zero experience running the offense? Seriously?
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Not only did he lose 5 games, but he lost the team and the players.
I'm not sure what this means, but I would think that if you "lost" a team, they wouldn't play their best football of the season in the last game. The team that came out in the Peach Bowl looked anything but "lost."
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A national champion should NEVER quit on the field,
now, you're just talking out of your fricking arse
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He's made HIS staff.
he's "hired" his staff, not sure what "made" means, really
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He's got HIS recruits.
yes, and by all accounts, they are very good ones
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This is HIS mess
what mess? We had a bad season and still finished 8-5. Most of the problems were addressed and he went out and signed the #1 recruiting class in the nation. It hardly seems like a "mess."
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He isn't paid to win a title then fall off the face of the Earth
You think we fell off the face of the earth? Jesus Christ, we lost exactly ONE more game last year than Florida did in '07.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:49 pm to AlexLSU
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Ole Miss? Having OM take a knee up by 18 on senior day doesn't make you think we gave up? I watched every minute of that game, and LSU gave up.
shite, the apathy was given getting to ME. I didn't watch the whole game because halfway through I actually sat down and starting talking with a friend.
And to put it in perspective, I am one of those fans that goes out for gameday at 2 AM and doesn't normally sit down at ALL during a game outside of halftime. From the band getting in the stadium to the alma mater, I am up.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:50 pm to Hot Carl
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Jesus Christ, we lost exactly ONE more game last year than Florida did in '07.
And we had to desperately pull bold moves to win our game against them IN OUR OWN HOUSE.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:50 pm to AlexLSU
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but those situations aren't even close.
You're right. Florida had one of the greatest football players of all time who had one of the greatest seasons of all time leading their offense. We had 2 freshman and a transfer from Harvard.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:52 pm to geauxtigahs87
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It seems any currency Miles earned by leading LSU to the 2007 BCS title vanished with last season's 8-5 clunker . . .
This statement is mostly true. But not just based on the record. Apart from the bowl win, I saw a team week-by-week that was never ready to start the games, that underachieved, and a team that never developed any sense of competitive identity.
With the bowl win and the great recruiting class I would put Les in the black on currency.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:52 pm to Volvagia
I also want to add something to this thread.
I remember when i used to live in BR, and Miles was first hired. I know alot of people don't like Jimmy Ott, and i even disagree with alot of what he said at times.
BUT, Ott made the statement after Miles was hired that it didn't matter what Miles did as soon as he was hired, he could not "win" the fanbase over. He said that if he lost, everybody would say that it was b/c he was a terrible coach. But if he won the NC, everyone would say that he won with Nick's talent.
I think Miles has done well in his current situation. Even after last year, he could have kept those two clowns just to prove a point just like other dumbass coaches do. He made the change, and realized he NEEDED the change. Wasn't stubborn. Even after what happened last year, i still give Miles an A-.
Can't wait for next year.
I remember when i used to live in BR, and Miles was first hired. I know alot of people don't like Jimmy Ott, and i even disagree with alot of what he said at times.
BUT, Ott made the statement after Miles was hired that it didn't matter what Miles did as soon as he was hired, he could not "win" the fanbase over. He said that if he lost, everybody would say that it was b/c he was a terrible coach. But if he won the NC, everyone would say that he won with Nick's talent.
I think Miles has done well in his current situation. Even after last year, he could have kept those two clowns just to prove a point just like other dumbass coaches do. He made the change, and realized he NEEDED the change. Wasn't stubborn. Even after what happened last year, i still give Miles an A-.
Can't wait for next year.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:53 pm to Barry Badrinath
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Can't wait for next year
+1
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:54 pm to Volvagia
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We had talent that was not coached...remember we lost Pelini and replace with that 2 headed monster of DC...
Not to mention the QB situation that left the defense on the fieled WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long too many time in games
+ 1
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:58 pm to Hot Carl
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No, they really don't.
Outside of LSU fans, yeah, they do. Why do you think it has picked up so much steam nationally? I guess it's just a couple of negatigers.
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Do you honestly think that had more to do with "Saban's" recruits leaving that it did with unqualified co-ordinators running the defense and 3 QBs with zero experience running the offense? Seriously?
All that post was answering the other guy's question about "saban's players" and why we hear it.
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I'm not sure what this means, but I would think that if you "lost" a team, they wouldn't play their best football of the season in the last game. The team that came out in the Peach Bowl looked anything but "lost."
So he lost a team for the majority of the season's end, but regained it for GT. Did he still not lose them?
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now, you're just talking out of your fricking arse
You're right, programs that were champs only months ago lay down and die all the time.
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he's "hired" his staff, not sure what "made" means, really
Are you just trying to find shite to quote at this point? Hired, made, stop being a dumbshit.
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what mess? We had a bad season and still finished 8-5. Most of the problems were addressed and he went out and signed the #1 recruiting class in the nation. It hardly seems like a "mess."
It's a mess currently. FSU signs great classes every year, but they are still mediocre. Anytime you go from a national champion to being the only LSU team ever to give up 50 twice, it's a mess.
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You think we fell off the face of the earth? Jesus Christ, we lost exactly ONE more game last year than Florida did in '07.
And still, people are caught up in just the numbers. Nevermind the fact that UF had a much less experienced defense and still never got blown out, they lost only one fewer game, so the situations are identical.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 10:58 pm to AlexLSU
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This is HIS mess
Posted on 3/3/09 at 11:02 pm to DontheTiger
quote:Served by a noob.
And played without a quarterback all season. Geez... what a tool
Seriously, when are the fans going to get behind Coach Miles here? Its not like he's John Bradying the football team.
LSU has probably its most outstanding recruiting class with dynamic new players that will be game changers for years to come.
If you cant get behind this team and this coaching staff then you really arent a LSU fan.
This post was edited on 3/3/09 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 3/3/09 at 11:04 pm to AlexLSU
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Honest question for you to answer, was Bama's 07 teams anywhere close to LSU's 08 team talent wise? Shula sucked at building Bama, Les and Nick didn't with LSU.
Honest question, was ULM more talented than 07 Bama? The players gave up in that one game just as ours gave up in the 2nd half of Arky.
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The players didn't try, the players were coached poorly, the defensive coordinators sucked. Guess what, all those fall on the coach.
Is that as far as they can broaden?
The co-def were a mistake obviously, u gotta give him some credit for not being an a-hole in getting rid of them mid-season. And letting them gameplan the bowl game. And saying the players were coached poorly is hilarious considering our success the past three years. Posted on 3/3/09 at 11:08 pm to geauxtigahs87
Way to avoid the question, and unlike you, I'll answer your's:
No.
Bama's talent was garbage that year, not in relation to ULM, but in relation to comparing them to LSU. They weren't supposed to be worth two shits. We were.
I didn't know coaching and accomplishments carried over. Coulda sworn 08 was a different year than the previous three. My bad.
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Honest question, was ULM more talented than 07 Bama?
No.
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The players gave up in that one game just as ours gave up in the 2nd half of Arky.
Bama's talent was garbage that year, not in relation to ULM, but in relation to comparing them to LSU. They weren't supposed to be worth two shits. We were.
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And saying the players were coached poorly is hilarious considering our success the past three years.
I didn't know coaching and accomplishments carried over. Coulda sworn 08 was a different year than the previous three. My bad.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 11:11 pm to AlexLSU
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Bama's talent was garbage that year, not in relation to ULM, but in relation to comparing them to LSU. They weren't supposed to be worth two shits. We were.
You're entirely missing the point.
I don't know how to make it any clearer. quote:
I didn't know coaching and accomplishments carried over. Coulda sworn 08 was a different year than the previous three. My bad
You're not really that stupid are you?
Posted on 3/3/09 at 11:14 pm to AlexLSU
Saban is a proven winner. Miles is a proven winner. That is a fact. End of discussion.
LSU fans should feel fortunate to have had two of the best coaches in college football leading our program over the last decade.
IMO, Miles' style of coaching is better suited for the program's long-term stability. So given that Saban came in and built the program up (what he does best) and Miles came in when he did, I'm happier than a pig in shite at the timing of the two coaches taking over at LSU.
LSU fans should feel fortunate to have had two of the best coaches in college football leading our program over the last decade.
IMO, Miles' style of coaching is better suited for the program's long-term stability. So given that Saban came in and built the program up (what he does best) and Miles came in when he did, I'm happier than a pig in shite at the timing of the two coaches taking over at LSU.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 11:18 pm to AlexLSU
That is completely stupid. I have yet to hear anyone say that Trent is winning with Brady's players. And all the guys that were recruited by Saban- HE WORKED WITH DB's ALL PRACTICE! That had nothing to do with DL or RB's that carried the team.
Posted on 3/3/09 at 11:19 pm to AlexLSU
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Bama's talent was garbage that year, not in relation to ULM, but in relation to comparing them to LSU. They weren't supposed to be worth two shits. We were.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate. Bama had Top 15 talent going into 2007. Certainly LSU had more next-level talent, but don't let Bama fans fool you into thinking Saban took over a shitty program, because he did not.
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Average Rivals Stars - Cumulative Average (2003-2007)
Ranking School 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 Total Average
1 USC 3.43 4.05 3.95 3.96 4.22 19.61 3.922
2 LSU 3.68 3.54 3.69 3.64 3.88 18.43 3.686
3 Florida 3.65 3.52 3.39 3.89 3.89 18.34 3.668
4 Texas 3.72 3.50 3.60 3.60 3.79 18.21 3.642
5 Michigan 3.82 3.59 3.48 3.63 3.40 17.92 3.584
6 Oklahoma 3.58 3.72 3.63 3.54 3.38 17.85 3.570
7 Florida State 3.53 3.59 3.82 3.68 3.20 17.82 3.564
8 Georgia 3.40 3.57 3.58 3.64 3.48 17.67 3.534
9 Ohio State 3.38 3.24 3.50 3.60 3.80 17.52 3.504
10 Miami-FL 3.63 3.36 3.82 3.36 3.21 17.38 3.476
11 Tennessee 3.27 3.25 3.63 3.09 3.63 16.87 3.374
12 Notre Dame 3.41 2.83 3.00 3.46 3.72 16.42 3.284
13 Penn State 3.27 3.00 3.05 3.63 3.14 16.09 3.218
14 Auburn 3.23 2.67 3.19 3.52 3.37 15.98 3.196
15 Alabama 3.06 2.89 3.03 3.61 3.28 15.87 3.174
16 Nebraska 3.05 2.83 3.33 3.27 3.33 15.81 3.162
17 California 2.97 3.00 3.38 3.30 3.00 15.65 3.130
18 Texas A&M 3.25 2.93 3.23 2.96 2.89 15.26 3.052
19 UCLA 3.11 2.62 3.00 3.23 3.27 15.23 3.046
20 South Carolina 3.00 2.61 2.96 3.08 3.42 15.07 3.014
21 Maryland 3.05 3.00 3.08 3.00 2.85 14.98 2.996
22 Clemson 2.82 2.38 3.08 3.40 3.22 14.90 2.980
23 Virginia 3.27 2.74 3.14 2.67 3.04 14.86 2.972
24 Oregon 2.96 3.00 2.87 2.67 3.24 14.74 2.948
25 Virginia Tech 2.92 2.74 3.08 3.00 2.73 14.47 2.894
26 Arizona 2.77 2.44 3.17 3.28 2.72 14.38 2.876
27 Boston College 3.08 2.80 2.81 2.85 2.83 14.37 2.874
28 Arkansas 2.80 2.67 3.00 2.96 2.93 14.36 2.872
29 Oklahoma State 2.81 2.68 2.76 3.03 3.04 14.32 2.864
30 Ole Miss 2.78 2.71 2.56 3.17 3.09 14.31 2.862
This post was edited on 3/3/09 at 11:29 pm
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