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Wish I could post this whole article
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:24 pm
It's opposing coaches on Lsu. It's not free so the link does no good I'll post what I can.
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“No. 18 is a game changer-type guy if you allow him to be,” said an offensive line coach. “He’s a real dude off the edge. He’s the best edge guy we saw all year.”
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When you listen to their kids talk, they are playing with supreme confidence,” an SEC head coach said. “That’s more than half the battle.
“You’re not gonna stop them. Your best hope is just to slow them down and hope they make a mistake. You gotta hope for a few three-and-outs. This is gonna sound strange, but it’s almost like old Arena ball, where you’re hoping for just field goals, not TDs.
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One defensive coordinator who has faced the Tigers assessed what makes them special this way: “The QB is elite. They have elite skill. They are on a magic ride. Rarest of seasons. Joe (Burrow) makes is all go. Reminds me of 2012 Manziel at A&M. Appreciate what you’re watching. Wish I didn’t have to experience it. And to be clear … Burrow is 1,000 percent better than Manziel. But the momentum he creates is like a tidal wave.”
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“He’s playing at as high a level as I’ve ever defended,” says an SEC defensive coordinator who faced LSU in November. “He knows what he’s doing; knows where he wants to go with the ball and does everything really confidently. His ability to make plays with his feet when you do cover him, or when things break down, is the added element that is really challenging when you’re trying to set up a plan to stop him.”
Asked to explain what makes Burrow so special, one SEC head coach rattled off a bunch of things in one sentence that probably also sum up why so many NFL scouts think he’ll be the first pick of the 2020 draft: “His confidence, how accurate he is, and how quickly he makes decisions; his off-platform throws outside of the pocket; the way he extends plays with his feet and improvises and keep his eyes downfield and how quickly he gets it out of his hands, that is unique.”
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Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:27 pm to Tigerpride18
That was so nice of Nick Saban to say!
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:28 pm to Tigerpride18
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“No. 22 is special with the way they use him,” one coach said. “He runs the inside zone; they’ll line up him in field or boundary No. 1. He can free release out of the backfield. His is versatility is a big key.”
“No. 22 (Edwards-Helaire), that damn running back does a hell of a job,” says an SEC defensive backs coach. “If you don’t stop him, you don’t have a shot. I’d put him against any other SEC back. He makes two or three guys miss from Alabama and got the first down. Tough, hard runner. He almost always is making the first guy miss. He’ll run over you, too. He’s a real key to that deal. To us, he’s the real headache. They hit him out the backfield. He runs corner routes for touchdowns.”
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It’s the Tigers depth of playmakers that compounds the problems, says another defensive coordinator who got LSU later in the year. “The Jefferson kid is talented. I don’t think he’s elite, but when he becomes the third ‘thing’ that you’re talking about. He becomes a really good third thing. That’s where Oklahoma got some really bad matchups. He’s an NFL wide receiver — he’s not an ‘Oh my God!’ guy, but when you spend your game-plan worrying about other people, that’s when he becomes so effective. And that’s what Moss and Marshall are too. They’re talented players, don’t get me wrong. They’re not elite difference-makers, but they’re such an afterthought in the game plan because of how much time the other pieces take, they can get going, too. That, to me, is LSU in a nutshell.”
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:30 pm to Tigerpride18
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“The biggest thing that they do well is the run after the catch. Those two and (Alabama’s Jerry) Jeudy were the best receivers I saw. They’re not quite as fast as Jeudy, but they are a little stronger.”
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Up front, LSU won the Joe Moore Award as the nation’s top offensive line. The group has come a long way, reducing its sacks allowed percentage on pass attempts by around 33 percent and improving the running game from four yards per carry to almost five a carry. “It’s a good line, not a great line,” said one of the defensive coordinators. “I think they’ve got a bunch of late-round picks there. They’re better in the middle than they are at the tackles. (Offensive guard Damien Lewis) is probably their best guy. He’s strong as shite and has handled some big-time games he’s faced. The center (Lloyd Cushenberry) is a good player. The tackles are improved, but I think they’re only slightly above average. No. 76 (right tackle Austin Deculus) still has a lot of trouble with speed, but Burrow is so good at getting rid of it, he compensates well for it.”
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:30 pm to Tigerpride18
Plenty more coming
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:34 pm to Tigerpride18
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He’s an NFL wide receiver — he’s not an ‘Oh my God!’ guy, but when you spend your game-plan worrying about other people, that’s when he becomes so effective. And that’s what Moss and Marshall are too. They’re talented players, don’t get me wrong. They’re not elite difference-makers
Well this is just silly. Jefferson IS CLEARLY a difference maker and Marshall has elite talent.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:34 pm to Tigerpride18
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So what would these coaches do in retrospect if facing LSU’s offense, or what do they think Venables might try?
“You have to defend five guys in routes on every play,” says one of the defensive coordinators. “Not a zone exists that allows for that. Which means you better be able to get rush with four and be able to play man to man. Ohio State would have had the personnel on every level to have a shot to do that. I don’t know Clemson personnel.”
The other defensive coordinator sounded less optimistic.
“I thought we did things the right way,” he says. “We probably tried to tweak things a little too much. We were doubling Chase and bracketing Edwards-Helaire with our linebackers and playing that into spy on Burrow. But the game just goes a little too fast. There were a few times early we kinda stopped the play but it still turned into a plus-30 because Joe just did something.
“What would I do differently? Just not play ’em.”
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“They don’t have anybody on the D-Line that scares you like Alabama had with Quinnen Williams last year,” says an offensive assistant from outside the SEC. “I thought we’d be able to run the ball well, and we really couldn’t. Orgeron and (LSU defensive line coach) Bill Johnson are really good with the D-line. Their guys are very well coached. They’re great using their hands and have an assortment of pass rush moves. No. 18 (edge rusher K’Lavon Chaisson) is one guy we were most concerned with. He’s really twitchy and can bend. His second and third effort is so good. He gets blocked but then puts his foot in the ground and re-traces and makes a play that he has no business making.”
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Several of the coaches were split on a few of the LSU players, and the two that got reactions all over the board were junior nose guard Tyler Shelvin and senior cornerback Kristian Fulton.
“(Shelvin) was a game-wrecker at Florida,” said an SEC head coach. He and (Rashard Lawrence and Glen Logan) are huge space-eaters and do a really good job of holding their gaps, and they’re surprisingly active.
“You can’t run right at ’em, and they’re so fast as a defense they can run it down is you run wide. They also do a good job just of mixing up edge pressure to discourage you from the edge runs.”
On the flip side, an offensive line coach who saw the Tigers in the first half of the season was less impressed with the 340-plus pound Shelvin. “I think he’s OK. He’s massive. He’s one of those guys who you can wear out.”
That coach was more impressed with Lawrence, a senior, who was praised for his smarts and savvy. “You hate playing against him.” Backup defensive end Neil Farrell also is one of the better reserves these coaches saw this season.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:36 pm to Tigerpride18
Thanks for posting. Now where do I turn u in?
J/k
J/k
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:38 pm to Tigerpride18
Great assessments, keep em coming!
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:38 pm to Tigerpride18
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“I like (Queen) better than (Phillips),” said one running backs coach who faced LSU in the second half of the season. “Queen can really run sideline to sideline. We thought (Phillips) was stiff. It was obvious they don’t want those two guys off the field. We wanted to use tempo to wear them out a little bit.”
Queen was one of the most improved players on the LSU defense this season, and that definitely was the impression of another SEC running backs coach who faced LSU in the second half of the season.
“He’s more active in the game than what you see on film. He was a little bit of a shock,” said the coach. “He’s got really good change of direction. I think he’s got a good feel for dropping into zones; he searches up crossing routes and he gets in the way across the middle a lot (in pass coverage) of what you’re trying to do.”
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Stingley is gonna be a great cornerback, but I think any wide receiver that is not afraid to use their hands can get him,” said one wide receiver coach who faced LSU in the second half of the season. “The (Justyn) Ross kid will go at him I think. He likes to press and bail. He’s a patient corner. He tries to be perfect. He has really good ball skills, and he can run.
“(Fulton) is just average. He is overly aggressive. I think (Clemson WR Tee) Higgins can get him. You can get him with double moves. You can hit him on slant and go’s.
“Delpit is a great player if you just let him play centerfield. He struggles in coverage and is horrible in open-field tackling.”
Another coach whose team faced LSU in the first half of the season also was down on Delpit. “We thought that he was a matchup problem for them if you can get your slot on him. They want him to run the alley and be the free hitter.”
A coach who faced LSU after Delpit had recovered was more upbeat on the LSU secondary and was especially impressed with how long and fluid Stingley is, but he added that his team thought it could attack him with back-shoulder fades. He liked Fulton too. “I think he has more suddenness to him.”
The coach added, “The teams we talk to said don’t waste your time trying to throw it on the outside. They’re that good. When we played them, what stood out to me was how well they talked to each other and communicate. I watched them during a TV timeout and saw how they were handling things.”
Nickel Kary Vincent has made four interceptions but is a player opposing coaches think Clemson might be able to take advantage of. “He’s not big, but he can really run and he’s got great instincts,” one coach said. “They don’t want him in run support.”
The biggest circle opposing coaches would put around any LSU defensive player they wanted to try and exploit was safety Jacoby Stephens, a 6-3, 225-pound hybrid.
“He’s the one guy who is out of position,” said one of the running backs coaches. “He needs to be a linebacker. He’s heavy-legged. We thought we could attack him. He’s a liability in coverage, but they put him in so many different places he’s hard to pinpoint.”
Said another: “He’s not a DB. He’s really stiff.”
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:40 pm to Tigerpride18
Is this the same article posted earlier where OP only posted the negative excerpts? tRant 
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:40 pm to RileyTime
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Well this is just silly. Jefferson IS CLEARLY a difference maker and Marshall has elite talent.
If the Saints had Jefferson this season instead of (take your pick) say Ted Ginn or Trequan Smith, they likely don’t even play yesterday and would have won the game if somehow they still managed to lose all 3 regular season games.
IMO, they win at least one of the 3 and the playoff game if they have one more competent receiver besides Michael Thomas.
Crazy that LSU has no less than three WRs who are legitimately better than all but one WR on the roster of a 13-3 NFL team.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:40 pm to Tigerpride18
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One offensive coach who faced the Tigers late in the season said, “LSU is not gonna trick you. They’re gonna play Cover 1 man-free and some quarters coverage.” The best solution to deal with the Tigers, according to one of the offensive coaches interviewed, is something Clemson, with Travis Etienne and Trevor Lawrence, is capable of.
“Here’s the key in my opinion: You gotta be able to sustain drives against them and keep their offense off the field. If you can hang in the game with them and match scores and you gotta be able to run the ball on ’em. They’re big up front. Get ’em playing sideline to sideline and then you can run the ball downhill on ’em.”
One area Clemson has a chance to take advantage, according to one special teams coach, is in the kicking game. “Their guy kicks so many touchbacks, and when he doesn’t, it’s like ‘Oh crap, here it comes!’ Ole Miss popped a pretty long one them. Auburn got one too.
“They never punt, but when they do, you don’t see lights-out amazing effort all the time. (Racey McMath) is, by far, their best guy as a gunner and right in the middle of the kickoff return unit. He’s the one guy you need to control. If you can get him blocked, you have a chance to get something going.”
That's all I got.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:42 pm to Tigerpride18
Really enjoying this thread
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:50 pm to Tigerpride18
Thanks for all of this. Definitely some salt from some coaches in there.
Imagine thinking Kris is average
Imagine thinking Kris is average
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:50 pm to bayourougebengal
Once I read it, I figured I'd be doing a disservice to the rant by not posting it.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:51 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Is this the same article posted earlier where OP only posted the negative excerpts? tRant
exactly lol
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:53 pm to ATLTiger
Lol, why would someone do that lol
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:58 pm to Tigerpride18
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They never punt
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:03 am to Tigerpride18
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“What would I do differently? Just not play ’em.”
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