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re: Will LSU Baseball have a star player next season?
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:54 am to burreauxxx
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:54 am to burreauxxx
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Probably but far from certain. He has leverage and could easily bet on himself and make a few milli next year while still having leverage with another good season.
Extremely unlikely he's going to improve himself much after the season he just had. He hit .341 with 44 XBH including 23 homers. His stock doesnt really have much anywhere to go after a year like that.
If you think he passes up a million dollar payday now, thats on you, but odds are definitely in favor of him signing than coming back when he's pretty unlikely to do any better than what he just did.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 9:55 am
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:58 am to thunderbird1100
Maybe. It wouldn’t be a stretch at all for him to move into the top 30 if he’s one of the best players in the country next season and the draft class is lighter than it is this draft cycle.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:04 am to burreauxxx
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Very few guys predicted to go 1-1 that far before the draft actually do so. He was a R1 projection while at Air Force
Except I already provided you 1 early mock fro mthe summer of 2022 that didnt have him in the 1st round, again, he improved DRAMATICALLY by coming here. His fastball velocity went up a good bit, his breaking ball improved a lot, he threw way more strikes here. Skenes was not some polished finished product when he left Air Force and was certainly not considered a 1/1 guy or even close to it then.
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I have yet to see him identify high school players and develop them like Vitello, Schloss and others have in recent years.
Just among the freshmen you dont see the huge potential in guys like Milam, Brown, Larson etc from just this past season? Milam looks like a star in the making, is playing on Team USA right now. Chase Shores looked like a star when he was pitching last season and will be back for this upcoming season after his injury and be a weekend starter. Kade Anderson looked like a guy who is going to factor in big for us in the future. What about Griffin Herring, are we just ignoring him completely. Gavin Guidry as well. You are acting like he hasnt had a single player he brought on campus that hasnt looked good or done well for us, there's definitely multiple guys there...and he's really only brought 2 of "his" classes on campus this far (2022 class for 2023 season and 2023 class for 2024 season), obviously the 2021 class for his first year here was mostly Mainieri guys as he couldnt have much an impact on that class for when he came in here. So maybe calm down a little expecting freshmen/sophomores to all dominate right away? There's been plenty of good players and promise shown there so far, and he's about to bring a loaded 2024 class on campus for the 2025 season.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:10 am to burreauxxx
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Maybe. It wouldn’t be a stretch at all for him to move into the top 30 if he’s one of the best players in the country next season and the draft class is lighter than it is this draft cycle.
You cant have it both ways here, you asked the question and got provided an answer with backup you simply didnt want to hear. He's a very high draft prospect and will probably get million dollar offers without much room to grow as a corner outfielder in the draft after the season he just had. The guy had a season that would be extremely difficult to replicate or surpass and higher chance he could have a worse year than better year by coming back after hitting 44 extra base hits in 1 season with an high average that approached .350.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:16 am to thunderbird1100
I agree Wes Johnson did a great job w/ Skenes
I go back to my original question: Will LSU have a star player next season? You have mentioned a lot of names, go ahead and put yourself on record for which ones will be star players.
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You are acting like he hasnt had a single player he brought on campus that hasnt looked good or done well for us
I go back to my original question: Will LSU have a star player next season? You have mentioned a lot of names, go ahead and put yourself on record for which ones will be star players.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:19 am to burreauxxx
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I go back to my original question: Will LSU have a star player next season? You have mentioned a lot of names, go ahead and put yourself on record for which ones will be star players.
You're asking a completely subjective question. What constitutes a star player? Do they have to be an all-american, all-sec,1st round draft pick eventually, just really good stats overall. What is the qualification there?
Secondly, it's impossible to know who will be a "Star" player for sure. But fact is we have them basically every year here. There's plenty of very good NON-portal players Jay has brought in and I would bet at least 1 or a couple of them turn out to be GREAT players her next season. Jared Jones is the obvious pick if he comes back, but I already mentioned a handful more of guys who are returning sophomores/juniors who have really good shots to be high impact guys here. Will they qualify as "star" players for you next season? I dont really give a shite honestly what you think because you're on of the most negative posters on here, but there will definitely be high end elite players in that group regardless of your opinion.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:19 am to burreauxxx
quote:Nothing screams "backwoods kansas" quite like this shitty resume
Except Dreiling will be an All American next year and Vitello found him in backwoods Kansas
quote:A top 300 player who was on All American teams at 14 years old is backwoods Kansas to you?
- Had a decorated prep career as an outfielder and a pitcher for Hays High School in Hays, Kansas, helping lead the Indians to Class 5A state playoff appearances as a junior and a senior, including a third-place finish in 2021
- Rated the No. 293 prospect in the nation by Perfect Game (No. 293) and the No. 2 overall player in the state of Kansas
- Named a Perfect Game Preseason All-American and Central All-Region first team pick in 2022
- Was a Perfect Game Preseason Underclass All-American and Central All-Region team selection in 2020 and 2021
- Participated in Perfect Game’s 2021 National Showcase and 2019 Jr. National Showcase
- Earned 14 Perfect Game All-Tournament Team honors during his prep career, including the 2021 WWBA 17U National Championship and the 2021 PG 17U National Elite Championship
- Named the 2022 KSHSAA Class 5A State Player of the Year as a senior
- Was a KSHSAA First Team All-State selection as a junior and senior
- Named the 2021 Western Athletic Conference Player of the Year as a junior
- Played in the Kansas Association of Baseball Coaches (KABC) All-Star Game
- Posted a .597 batting average with 40 hits, 12 doubles, 10 home runs, 38 RBIs and 23 walks in 22 games as a senior in 2022 despite battling a hamstring injury for the majority of the season
- Batted .430 with 37 hits and three home runs at the plate while going 9-0 with a school-record 0.50 ERA and 94 strikeouts as a junior in 2021
- Started as a true freshman, batting .323 with four homers and 15 walks
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:21 am to thunderbird1100
quote:He doesn't have an answer to any of this. He has moved goalposts in just about every single post in this thread. Shores could be the first overall pick and that wouldn't count because he was ranked high out of high school. He's not worth engaging with.
You're asking a completely subjective question. What constitutes a star player? Do they have to be an all-american, all-sec,1st round draft pick eventually, just really good stats overall. What is the qualification there?
Secondly, it's impossible to know who will be a "Star" player for sure. But fact is we have them basically every year here. There's plenty of very good NON-portal players Jay has brought in and I would bet at least 1 or a couple of them turn out to be really good players here. Jared Jones is the obvious pick if he comes back, but I already mentioned a handful more of guys who are returning sophomores/juniors who have really good shots to be high impact guys here.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:23 am to thunderbird1100
I’d argue the same with you. We don’t know for certain if he will take being a top 100 pick, or see value in returning to school to try and work into R1
When you have leverage, he may not see as much risk as there is upside. It’s not much different than Jones. Certainly not a lock they’re leaving. Tommy will probably be an end of R1 guy this year with no positional value, and his chase rate is still a concern.
If Dreiling comes back he’s automatically in the early Golden Spikes conversations and his name ascends to the top of college baseball discussions for a year. Not hard to imagine him being mocked in the top 30 in 2025.
When you have leverage, he may not see as much risk as there is upside. It’s not much different than Jones. Certainly not a lock they’re leaving. Tommy will probably be an end of R1 guy this year with no positional value, and his chase rate is still a concern.
If Dreiling comes back he’s automatically in the early Golden Spikes conversations and his name ascends to the top of college baseball discussions for a year. Not hard to imagine him being mocked in the top 30 in 2025.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:29 am to burreauxxx
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I’d argue the same with you. We don’t know for certain if he will take being a top 100 pick, or see value in returning to school to try and work into R1
Again the chances are much much higher he will sign than not if he's slotted for getting $1M+. This is not something much college players even with leverage ever pass up on. You're trying to argue for a guy who maybe has like 5-10% chance of returning. Sure, it COULD happen, is it likely? No. Again he just had a ridiculous season and is a corner outfielder, he is not looking like a guy who can improve his stock much at all and a million bucks is a huge payday for a player like him as it stands. You keep acting like it's super easy for him to move up to a 1st rounder, it would be extremely difficult for him to do that given he's a corner outfielder who just had one of the biggest seasons he's probably capable of having hitting nearly .350 with 44 XBH. It seems pretty unlikely he'd come back and do something like .385 with 35 homers or something. He is a below average to bad defensive outfielder, had 4 errors this season and doesnt have a good arm.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 10:33 am
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:30 am to thunderbird1100
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What constitutes a star player?
I have stated this in the post already.
My opinion is that star players show themselves as freshmen in many cases. You see the tools and flashes of production. I could hear an argument for Shores but post injury it’s a question mark.
Milam could be a Nick Madrigal type. He could also be a Cole Freeman type (not style comp) with a little more power and less speed — solid production but never a star. Larson seems to have a solid approach at the plate but his power needs to come and his other tools running and in the field are very average.
Jake Brown is toolsy but a ton of swing and miss. Time will tell if his bat to ball skills can be top notch. Until then, it’s hard to think he’ll be a star. Did I miss anyone?
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:32 am to PP7 for heisman
Well the population of Hays, KS is 21k
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:34 am to thunderbird1100
So you’re saying he has a 5-10% chance to return. I disagree with that, I think it’s much higher. Fair?
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:35 am to burreauxxx
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So you’re saying he has a 5-10% chance to return. I disagree with that, I think it’s much higher. Fair?
No, not really fair, you're just wrong. Again, college players very rarely are passing up $1M paydays especially when they just had about the best season they are capable of even having. The guy is a position less player for most part with poor defensive capabilities. He's not going to suddenly become a 1st rounder.
There's maybe a couple college guys each year passing up that kind of money to return to college, that doesnt give you high odds of him returning, hence maybe about 5-10% chance. Jsu tbecause you think every player has the magical ability to turn themselves into a 1st rounder doesnt make it so. He just doesnt have that kind of toolset. He's a DH basically right now.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:43 am to burreauxxx
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I have stated this in the post already.
You gave a bunch of names, not specific criteria. And among the guys you posted, many had pretty different careers here. Like you mentioned Duplantis who spent forever here (4 years) and was obviously a pretty good player but he had very little draft stock (drafted in 19th round his junior year then 12th round his senior season). Up until his senior year he showed zero power here (6 home runs in first 3 years). He hit between .316 and .328 all 4 years here, again 3/4 years with basically zero power. His senior season he hit 12 home runs showing some power then finally.
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Milam could be a Nick Madrigal type. He could also be a Cole Freeman type (not style comp) with a little more power and less speed — solid production but never a star.
So what makes Steven Milam supposedly not capable of being a "star" here in comparison to a guy like Duplantis who you mentioned?
He already hit .328 as a freshman, was a freshman all american, all-sec tournament team, all-regional tournament team and he hit .386 with 3 doubles and 4 home runs in 10 postseason games. He also showed some power right away with 8 home runs this season, all coming almost in the 2nd half of the season. He showed up in our most important games this year to close the season out as well. What makes Milam so far off your radar but claiming Duplantis is this unquestionable star player here? Sure seems like Milam is already on a better track than Duplantis was.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:46 am to thunderbird1100
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The guy is a position less player for most part with poor defensive capabilities. He's not going to suddenly become a 1st rounder.
Sounds like you’re describing Tommy Tanks.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:47 am to thunderbird1100
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You gave a bunch of names, not specific criteria.
I stated it early in the post. Before names were mentioned.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:50 am to burreauxxx
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Sounds like you’re describing Tommy Tanks.
Tanks was a pretty high end 3rd baseman this season if you didnt pay close attention there. He clearly showed he's capable of playing 3B professionally with plenty of flash.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:51 am to TigerCub
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Ya'll really need to stop responding to this moron and maybe he'll just disappear the way Magician did.
This. He's dishonest and not arguing in good faith.
There is no point in engaging with him.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:53 am to thunderbird1100
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So what makes Steven Milam supposedly not capable of being a "star" here in comparison to a guy like Duplantis who you mentioned?
This thread was never about “capable of being a star”. Almost everyone who signs at a place like LSU is capable of being a star
Duplantis was one of LSU’s best and most reliable hitters in the heart of the order for several years. He’s quite literally the programs all time Hits leader. Also great in the field, he just couldn’t hit homers.
That qualifies for me.
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