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re: Why You Can't "Stack the Box" vs. Auburn (with graphics/pics)
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:37 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:37 pm to OBUDan
OBU, it's the internet, he gets to tell you you meant something different because in your initial post, you "inferred" that LSU was in that 1 Safety package they run all the time, and walked him down because you said the Safety, not a Safety as you would have if they were in the 2 Safety package.
It matters not that you showed it and named the guy in the next post. You said the safety, and thus, you're locked in to that. Sorry, fail!


It matters not that you showed it and named the guy in the next post. You said the safety, and thus, you're locked in to that. Sorry, fail!

Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:38 pm to Buck Sweep
Anyways moving along.
Just as I figured, all the garbage being spewed about our DL playing "contain" was just that... garbage.
As you've pointed out multiple times, you guys left the end unblocked nearly every single play. Multiple times you were able to gain big chunks playing off their misreads or misplays.
The DL didn't play contain at all. What Chavis did with them was slant them. Nearly every single play you'll see the DTs slant down. This really has nothing to do with contain or whatever it is people are trying to think we did.
Also, we blitzed out of our "Mustang" package on 3rd and 8. We blitzed the the outside corner with a 3 man line. The two inside backers (Baker and Sheppard) bailed into deeper zone coverage (as well they should to cover the guys left open by the blitz). Auburn ran a guy underneath inside which Brooks rightly released inside to cover the flat. Newton made a nice read and dumped it underneath the deeper zone and you guys picked up the first down. Not shitty scheme or even shitty execution. Sometimes you just get beat.
Just as I figured, all the garbage being spewed about our DL playing "contain" was just that... garbage.
As you've pointed out multiple times, you guys left the end unblocked nearly every single play. Multiple times you were able to gain big chunks playing off their misreads or misplays.
The DL didn't play contain at all. What Chavis did with them was slant them. Nearly every single play you'll see the DTs slant down. This really has nothing to do with contain or whatever it is people are trying to think we did.
Also, we blitzed out of our "Mustang" package on 3rd and 8. We blitzed the the outside corner with a 3 man line. The two inside backers (Baker and Sheppard) bailed into deeper zone coverage (as well they should to cover the guys left open by the blitz). Auburn ran a guy underneath inside which Brooks rightly released inside to cover the flat. Newton made a nice read and dumped it underneath the deeper zone and you guys picked up the first down. Not shitty scheme or even shitty execution. Sometimes you just get beat.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:40 pm to igoringa
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On the topic of ignorant, do you think citing a play where we keep a safety deep is what we 'crave'?
If a safety 10 yards beyond the LOS is your concept of deep then heaven help you.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:40 pm to Buck Sweep
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OBU, it's the internet,
You are obsessed with saying the internet arent you?
It is very simple. OBU said he was going to show us something 'good' which was what we all 'craved'. And Tada, it was a still shot of us playing with the deep safety. What a find! Because damn... that is clearly what we meant when we said man up and bring everyone else in towards the line of scrimmage... we meant we crave a deep safety!
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:41 pm to igoringa
Pretty funny you acting like I'm the one that started calling you out with stuff like "his boyfriend" and "keep dancing away".
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:41 pm to OBUDan
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If a safety 10 yards beyond the LOS is your concept of deep then heaven help you.
when every play is an obvious run... yes being farther then 10 yards back is deep.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:42 pm to Buck Sweep
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Pretty funny you acting like I'm the one that started calling you out with stuff like "his boyfriend" and "keep dancing away".
Mommy, he started it.

Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:44 pm to igoringa
Damn if you aren't a typical internet tough guy.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:45 pm to igoringa
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when every play is an obvious run... yes being farther then 10 yards back is deep.
I'm beginning to wonder if you've watched us play at all this year.
Look I just watched Auburn run the zone read. With our two "deep" (in your mind) safeties.
Newton read Ken Adams as he is taught. Adams crashed hard and hit Newton (Adams finally played the damn thing right). Newton gave it to McCallebb who came around the end. Brandon Taylor crashed the play hard and made the tackle for a 3 yard gain.
We've played with Taylor at the depth all season and he does an outstanding job of playing downhill and cleaning up plays.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:46 pm to igoringa
You got nothing...zero...nothing but pure internet bullshite taunts. You've been talked to decent, talking about football, and this is the result. Nothing but grade school bullshite.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:48 pm to OBUDan
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We've played with Taylor at the depth all season and he does an outstanding job of playing downhill and cleaning up plays.
A) I agree all season he has been outstanding from depth. I never said otherwise.
B) I never said I had a problem with how we started the game.
C) I took challenge with a lack of an adjustment bringing the safeties in when it was clear by the several hundred yards against they they were moving the ball. Not questioning last week.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:49 pm to Buck Sweep
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You got nothing...zero...nothing but pure internet bullshite taunts. You've been talked to decent, talking about football, and this is the result. Nothing but grade school bullshite.
Are you finished yet or do you have more venting. I am here for you.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:52 pm to OBUDan
Seriously question for you OBUDan,
if we played Auburn again next week, would you use the same scheme and approach on D? Miles said no in his presser and was not specific. What would you do different or do you think we did the best we could?
if we played Auburn again next week, would you use the same scheme and approach on D? Miles said no in his presser and was not specific. What would you do different or do you think we did the best we could?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:52 pm to igoringa
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C) I took challenge with a lack of an adjustment bringing the safeties in when it was clear by the several hundred yards against they they were moving the ball. Not questioning last week.
The thing is, bringing the safeties in is what they want you to do. That's why the run it so much. They want you to get suckered into walking all your guys up and the next thing you know, they hit you over the top for 6.
We may have died a slow agonizing death on Saturday, but I'll take that 100% of the time over a quick, painful one.
Walking the safeties up wasn't going to stop their run game. You can continue to believe that all you'd like, but it wouldn't have changed anything because they consistently had free blockers for our free men.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:52 pm to igoringa
You done with your bullshite grade school taunts, or do you want to talk football. I was talking football. You took it down another road.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:54 pm to OBUDan
OBU...
Did you rewatch this online? How did you get that screen shot?
SEC Video doesn't have the full game up yet.
Did you rewatch this online? How did you get that screen shot?
SEC Video doesn't have the full game up yet.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:55 pm to igoringa
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if we played Auburn again next week, would you use the same scheme and approach on D? Miles said no in his presser and was not specific. What would you do different or do you think we did the best we could?
Watching what did in the first half, I'm not convinced we did anything that wrong.
We blitzed once and Auburn blocked it up and Cam burned us.
They tried a deep pass on us... PP7 had good position, but if BT15 isn't back there, there's a good chance it gets completed.
We slanted our line to try and mixup their blocking assignments. It worked some.
I'm only a quarter through rewatching, but I haven't seen an instance yet when I've thought "why the hell did we do that" in terms of defensive playcalling.
Auburn just had nice counters for everything we tried and they were blocking us up very well.
What would you do differently?
ETA: What really killed us in my mind defensively were the two big plays. Sure, the ideal is no yards and no points, but that's unrealistic. We made them earn their yards and earn their first downs (which is what our defense is based off of).
On their two huge TD runs we had guys in place to make tackles (on Newton's run we had about 5) and they missed. I don't care what scheme you run, if you do that, you're going to get beat.
This post was edited on 10/27/10 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:56 pm to Buck Sweep
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OBU...
Did you rewatch this online? How did you get that screen shot?
SEC Video doesn't have the full game up yet.
You can watch it for free on lsusports.net.
It's in the Geaux Zone section. Not the best quality (unless you wanna pay for the gold membership), but the free one is sufficient.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:57 pm to OBUDan
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The thing is, bringing the safeties in is what they want you to do.
I personally think they were fine rushing for 450 yards in massive chunks.
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That's why the run it so much. They want you to get suckered into walking all your guys up and the next thing you know, they hit you over the top for 6.
You are effectively saying giving up 450 on the ground is a better result then risking a deep ball. I just dont get that. It is not like they ran for a buck fourty.
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We may have died a slow agonizing death on Saturday,
6 plays covering about 300 yards is not a slow death to me. A 50 yard run is no less painful then a 50 yard pass.
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Walking the safeties up wasn't going to stop their run game. You can continue to believe that all you'd like, but it wouldn't have changed anything because they consistently had free blockers for our free men.
Which is why I supported Chavis' talk before hand that we HAD to have more guys at the line of scrimmage then they had blockers. By definition, that means walking the safeties up and playing man on the outside.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 4:01 pm to igoringa
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You are effectively saying giving up 450 on the ground is a better result then risking a deep ball. I just dont get that. It is not like they ran for a buck fourty.
I'm effectively saying I'll trust that when my guys are put in position to make a tackle, they will fricking do it.
Look, we basically have a fundamental disagreement here. Go back and rewatch the game and if you honestly feel like we didn't have every opportunity to make tackles because our safeties were "deep" then so be it.
From what I'm seeing, the safeties not being in the box had little to nothing to do with the fact that they were able to keep picking up chunks of yardage.
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