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Posted on 10/27/10 at 8:13 am to TigerJeff
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Hopefully he shitcans said crappy gameplan and plays aggressive defense the rest of the season.
This will happen and we will all be saying why didn't we play that against auburn.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 8:17 am to OBUDan
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there was a reason he didn't explode
It was his 2nd game of the season.
His first against anyone of note...
Sorry to throw my 2 cents in, but Dan is correct on this one.
It was Newton's first big game and his first road game.
Our coaches weren't sure how he'd react. Our game plan was kept extremely simple and conservative.
The 3rd quarter against Kentucky might be a better place to look. Although we had more confidence in Newton by then, we failed to execute in the third quarter. That was in large part due to our own mistakes, but Kentucky's defense played a part I'm sure.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 8:58 am to tigersaint26
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If you leave our shutdown corner alone on Peterson Island and use the FS to cover over the top then you can get rid of the strong safety and bring in another DL. The Ends would need to contain the run and force it back inside and tighten up if unblocked. This would force the Center to block the Nose and could possibly leave a DT unblocked or force the OT to come down leaving the other End unblocked. Sure there is still a HB left that could be tossed the ball if DE comes at QB or QB keeps if DE goes for HB but you also could have the backside DE that is unblocked closing down. You should have 2 unblocked DE's that could stop the play and if either linebacker gets off their block or free saftey is close to the line, you then have at least 3 guys to stop 2. The key is guys getting off their blocks, and a 5 man line makes that easier as they could free up the linebackers more.
I don't know. Y'all think what you want. Personally I don't think more beef on the LOS is the answer...maybe walking down a S is...as I noted on Cam's long run, we left both your DE's unblocked.
Moreover, as I said in response to the numerous cries of "they never adjusted"...they did adjust, they didn't execute but it's real clear to me that showing the adjustments won't convince you they did adjust. The alignment of the DL and LB was clearly adjusted. Your LB (#11) got blocked by a WR...not pancaked, but just enough that he couldn't make a play (I don't have the knowledge to know if he played his assignment correctly or not), and your FS flew down to fill perfectly, BUT whiffed on the tackle.
I don't care if y'all think your coaches are incompetent. I don't have any interest in that. Just thought OBU did a nice job showing what happened, and thought I'd comment too. Most of you griping clearly have all the answers. I hope y'all get in the coach's heads and help them out.
To whoever (with the clearly smart tone) asked "If Auburn's scheme is so perfect..." or whatever exactly he said. Auburn's scheme is sound. IMHO, LSU's was sound enough...we out executed. Malzahn's run game is old school. He attacks the DE a lot. Block him out with a Fullback and run power under him, Crack on him or hook him with an H-Back or TE and run Sweep outside of him, and run the option right at him and make him wrong no matter what he does. That's pretty simple football, and it's been standard since the days of the Wing T and other such offenses to pick on the contain man and put him in a bind, leaving him not knowing if he's getting hit from inside out, outside in, or read. Wing T is where Malzhan gets lots of his run game concepts from. The sweep that OBU showed in one of his pics in the other thread where we pull both Gs is just the old Wing T Buck Sweep (see my screen name)...and it's also a version of the old Green Bay Sweep too, just updated to work with Spread formations. If you want to gripe, and clearly you do, gripe about fundamentals...LBs that can't beat WR blocks, and Safeties whiffing tackles...the schemes that most coaches draw up...usually sound Xs and Os...even the dumb ones are pretty good at drawing up decent schemes. Players on the field make the bigger difference.
And to that end...you can't, not using sound defensive concepts put more than 7 in the box vs a 4 wide set. And if we have, and we do have, a QB that is a legit run threat, then the best you can hope for is a 1 on 1 scenario for every man in the box. And then it comes down to who is better man for man. Does LSU have a guy on D that can beat Cam every time? I know you didn't seem to have a DL that could consistently deal with our OL. John Chavis played Def at UT in the mid 70s when option was king...and has been coaching in Alabama and TN since the early 80s...now I'm just guessing that he's seen Option Football a time or two in his career...and isn't completely incompetent at dealing with it from the standpoint of knowing sound schemes to deal with it.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:10 am to Topwater Trout
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This will happen and we will all be saying why didn't we play that against auburn.
which will be more ignorance...
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:19 am to ForeLSU
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which will be more ignorance...
based on? LSU plays an aggressive style of defense all year and was very successful playing that style. Do you not agree that LSU played an aggressive type of defense?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:33 am to Buck Sweep
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Moreover, as I said in response to the numerous cries of "they never adjusted"...they did adjust, they didn't execute but it's real clear to me that showing the adjustments won't convince you they did adjust. The alignment of the DL and LB was clearly adjusted.
I haven't studied the game film. On the play that you say we adjusted was the formation Auburn ran the same? Was the adjustment maybe due to the weak side and strong side had flipped?
When I say adjustments werent made I am referring to philosophy in general and attacking instead of reacting.
I will give this as an analogy. In baseball if you have a pitcher that is dominating you have to "make adjustments" whether it be stepping out of the box to throw off his rhythm or lay down a bunt etc you try to get him out of his comfort zone.
Maybe your under the impression that my argeument is taking away from how well Auburn played. I think Auburn played outstanding and deserves all the credit they deserve. Auburn played and executed better and to me had much better coaching.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:34 am to Topwater Trout
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based on?
what the D runs vs. Bama, for example, has nothing to do with Auburn...so saying "we should have run that vs. Auburn" will be an ignorant statement.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:43 am to ForeLSU
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what the D runs vs. Bama, for example, has nothing to do with Auburn...so saying "we should have run that vs. Auburn" will be an ignorant statement.
I am talking about playing aggressive and dictating more to the offenses(which is our style). We have played different types of offenses and still maintained an aggressive mentality until auburn...and got demolished. Ignorance is not acknowledging when something is wrong and not taking the steps to correct it.
Take a look at most great defenses whether it be on saturdays or sundays and the recurring theme is they play their style no matter who the opponent is.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:47 am to OBUDan
I would have slid the closest db cover a wr over to blitz the qb. Blitzing is a gamble and sometimes you have to make an attempt. USCe shut them down somewhat, we should have used their plan.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:50 am to Topwater Trout
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Ignorance is not acknowledging when something is wrong and not taking the steps to correct it.
the score was 10-10 at halftime, with 7 minutes to go in the game we had the ball and great field position with a chance to take the lead. Perhaps the wrong strategy was in place, but I'm not sure there was a good point to start tinkering in the second half. Both of their scores in the second half came on long plays where LSU had players in place to make the tackle, and they didn't.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:50 am to Weaver
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I would have slid the closest db cover a wr over to blitz the qb. Blitzing is a gamble and sometimes you have to make an attempt. USCe shut them down somewhat, we should have used their plan.
Thank You! My whole arguement is we should have tried other ways to get Auburn out of rhythm. Take the game to them and disrupt their offense....everyone says then newton would have burned LSU with the pass. Since it didn't happen they can't say it would have we will never know.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:51 am to ForeLSU
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what the D runs vs. Bama, for example, has nothing to do with Auburn...so saying "we should have run that vs. Auburn" will be an ignorant statement.
Oh it will be said and posted and repeated.
Chavis was some badass and fans loved his schemes until the AU game. One game and he is a moron, doesn't make adjustments, laid an egg. The average college football fan is a mouth-breathing idiot.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:56 am to Camp Randall
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Chavis was some badass and fans loved his schemes until the AU game. One game and he is a moron, doesn't make adjustments, laid an egg. The average college football fan is a mouth-breathing idiot.
Did I ever call him a moron? Don't imply things that weren't said. I support Chavis but think the gameplan didn't work. Did it work?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:57 am to Topwater Trout
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I haven't studied the game film. On the play that you say we adjusted was the formation Auburn ran the same? Was the adjustment maybe due to the weak side and strong side had flipped?
When I say adjustments werent made I am referring to philosophy in general and attacking instead of reacting.
I will give this as an analogy. In baseball if you have a pitcher that is dominating you have to "make adjustments" whether it be stepping out of the box to throw off his rhythm or lay down a bunt etc you try to get him out of his comfort zone.
Maybe your under the impression that my argeument is taking away from how well Auburn played. I think Auburn played outstanding and deserves all the credit they deserve. Auburn played and executed better and to me had much better coaching.
Well the adjustment question is a chicken or egg type deal. Maybe LSU adjusted, and Auburn adjusted it's formation to handle LSU's adjustment.
In another thread someone said Chavis said they run blitzed a couple of times and got burned.
As I noted when you say "adjustments" you started talking "scheme", as have others here, now you've switched to a more immeasurable concept of "aggression vs non aggression". I have no way to intelligently comment on how aggressive or not the "philosophy" was, except to say that generally speaking most fans think the answer to any defense getting burned is to blitz more or be more "aggressive".
Brother Oliver does a radio segment where he takes calls here every week. Every week some fan that thinks he's football savvy calls in to ask some form or "don't you think we need to blitz so and so a lot this week"? He always answers the same thing..."No, blitzing isn't something I want to be forced to do, I want to do it when I want to do it, not when they force me to...if I'm being forced to, then I'm being dictated to, and I don't want to be in that position...blitzing isn't the answer to everything". And yet, next week, same question.
Finally, as I showed from the Smart Football bit...IN THEORY there's lots of sound ways to defend...but it must be executed on the field.
With your last paragraph...isn't it possible that, out of character for your staff (I say that so you won't think I'm defending them), they came up with a good plan, and simply got beat? Is it possible you can do a good job coaching, and still be "out coached"? Is it possible you can still be lined up correctly and not be able to execute your assignment, whether aggressive or reading, because you got beat by the man in front of you?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 10:03 am to OBUDan
If you bring in 7, you leave one WR uncovered..
this not true if you bring 7 you have what i like to call man on man in the secondary.with no deep help.if cam "fig" newton throws for 300 so be it. i would have liked our chances if he was throwing and not running all over the place.our dbs are alot better than our small dline who got pushed around all game long. the coach did not give them any help bye running the same defense scheme up front could have ran some stunts. maybe to cause some confusion but we did nothing to adjust.i am not putting all the fault on the defense we were still in the game.the true blame lies on the coaching staff on offense.we did absolutly nothing to try and slow down the pass rush.i get sick when i watch our offense. their is no game plan what so ever. it looks like a practice just run plays and confuse everybody no adjustments to what the defense is doing.
this not true if you bring 7 you have what i like to call man on man in the secondary.with no deep help.if cam "fig" newton throws for 300 so be it. i would have liked our chances if he was throwing and not running all over the place.our dbs are alot better than our small dline who got pushed around all game long. the coach did not give them any help bye running the same defense scheme up front could have ran some stunts. maybe to cause some confusion but we did nothing to adjust.i am not putting all the fault on the defense we were still in the game.the true blame lies on the coaching staff on offense.we did absolutly nothing to try and slow down the pass rush.i get sick when i watch our offense. their is no game plan what so ever. it looks like a practice just run plays and confuse everybody no adjustments to what the defense is doing.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 10:07 am to Buck Sweep
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isn't it possible that, out of character for your staff (I say that so you won't think I'm defending them), they came up with a good plan, and simply got beat? Is it possible you can do a good job coaching, and still be "out coached"? Is it possible you can still be lined up correctly and not be able to execute your assignment, whether aggressive or reading, because you got beat by the man in front of you?
Yes. Auburn executed and outplayed LSU. Have you seen our offense? No I will not admit we did a good job coaching but I don't want to get into that lol. Chavis has coached well but to me the gameplan was as if we were scared.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 10:13 am to Weaver
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I would have slid the closest db cover a wr over to blitz the qb. Blitzing is a gamble and sometimes you have to make an attempt. USCe shut them down somewhat, we should have used their plan.
USC gave up over 300 yds rushing, and 35 points.
Look at this video and tell me how many times you see SC with a blitz on, or more than 6 in the box other than on goalline...where we simply pushed them off the ball.
LINK
Posted on 10/27/10 at 10:19 am to Topwater Trout
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I support Chavis but think the gameplan didn't work. Did it work?
You might support him but may here unbelieveably don't now.
The gameplan limited AU to 24, they scored 65 on an admittedly shitty Arky D the week before. We were tied with AU with around 5 minutes left to play. If we had a halfway decent offensive gameplan (or offense period) we would have won.
Newton was a fricking manbeast that game. Sometimes you get beat.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 10:22 am to Rex
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So, according to the OP a team should never blitz, should never line up in different formations to make the opposing QB actually think, should never attempt to compensate for an opponent's physical advantage.... you get the drift.
Glad you read the thread.
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